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Deleted article

Hey Chris, glad to see you here. I noticed Gabriela deleted your stub on Kollyvades and I wanted to give you an explanatory note . All this stuff is explained in the "welcome"documents, but that isn't always the most accessible format for people. Anyway, we're hesitant to create articles without content because it looks bad when people are searching for something and find the article, but there's nothing there. If this happens a lot, they might begin to think that OrthodoxWiki is a whole lot of nothing! We think it's better to build slowly, creating articles with some good content - that are actually useful to people - than to expand too quickly and too "thinly." Hope that helps, and welcome again. — FrJohn (talk)

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Thank you for your contributions! —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 11:40, March 16, 2007 (PDT)

Timeline of Church History

I've noticed you've been adding a lot to the Timeline of Church History article lately. Thank you! My one concern is that many of the entries amount to whole paragraphs. The idea is for entries to be brief (rather like newspaper headlines) and include links to the main articles.

Would you mind summarizing your recent additions in this way? I'd hate for content to be lost, though, so perhaps you might want to move that extra material into various main articles.

Thank you! —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 15:54, July 8, 2007 (PDT)

Turkey routinely does small things to annoy the EP, but few are of genuine historical significance. Inclusion in the Timeline article ought to be from the point of view of what is likely to make the history books 100 years from now. I do agree that the ongoing persecution could be documented, but perhaps this might be better covered in an article of its own. (Perhaps Turkey and the Ecumenical Patriarchate?)
The purpose of the Timeline articles is simply to give a shorthand overview, like a series of newspaper headlines, not to include all the information on a given topic. If you find yourself making a single event's entry several lines long, in most cases it should probably be shortened and then a new OrthodoxWiki article created which can be linked to from the Timeline.
Thanks for all your work! —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 06:22, July 17, 2007 (PDT)

Panagia of Tinos

Hi, I created an article on this amazing icon for your information and feel free to contribute any non-copyrighted pictures you might have - LOL! -- Vasiliki 22:52, February 21, 2008 (PST)

Creation of Bio articles

Hi, I noticed that you sometimes create stand alone articles on Metropolitans or Bishops. I just wanted to remind you (if you can of course) remember to update other pages which might need this information. For example, Kyprianos of Cyprus I added a link on the Church of Cyprus page because Kyprianos was part of an existing list of Metropolitans for the church of cyprus! :-) I have also been adding See also links within the bio's relating a link back to the Church see that each priest/bishop etc belongs to. You never told me if you liked the Panagia of Tinos article? Vasiliki 16:56, April 3, 2008 (PDT)

Geia Sou Vasiliki!!! :):) Apologies I did not get a chance to reply sooner. Thanks for the reminder, will do. I love the article on Panagia of Tinos, thanks so much for contributing it! Eimaste eulogimenoi pou se exomai edo!! :) Also very impressed by your industry in all the other important articles you have started doing! I will see if I have any info to add to any of them. Na eisai Kala!! Big cheers,:) Chris. Angellight 888 02:25, April 8, 2008 (UTC)

Your sig

Howdy! You may have noticed that when you include your signature in Talk pages that all text following it is shrunk and supertitled. You need to include a </sup> at the end of it!  :) —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 06:05, January 22, 2008 (PST)

Double-headed Eagle

WOW! Thanks for all those amazing additions to the article... you really have helped give it justice! So much so its already had 101 hits and its been on the OW for only 24 hours! This is an example of when I wreckon we all pull in information as a team to give an article some good ooomph! Vasiliki 03:39, April 24, 2008 (UTC)


Thank you, I hope that your experience of easter was exactly that it was meant to be - Christ Risen in our hearts, so that we can truthfully say, truly indeed He is Risen! Vasiliki 22:50, April 27, 2008 (UTC)

Sub-Saharan Orthodoxy

Concerning your question to Father Andrew about the African Orthodox Church you might read the article Orthodoxy in Sub-Saharan Africa. It provides an over of these early times. Wsk 00:43, July 5, 2008 (UTC)


Howdy! Hayesstw is the expert on the group in question. They did eventually become Orthodox. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 02:04, July 5, 2008 (UTC)

Romanity versus Ecumenism

I would be interested to find out your thoughts on the following two e-book(s):

Vasiliki 04:42, November 5, 2008 (UTC)

The big Timeline

Go for it. Unfortunately, right now I don't have the time for any major editing (have some big writing projects here at the cathedral), but I hope to sometime in the future. Thanks for all your help. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 03:35, December 21, 2008 (UTC)

UR fantastic

Chris, you are fantastic ..thank you for all the work you have put into the Greek timeline ... I must confess, you asked me a question about the early Christian church and a reference to some books ... I havent had a chance to help u on this one it has been a crazy few days. I need to visit our library to look at what historical books might shed some light on the question. It is interesting that many westerners dont see Greek as a valuable contribution to early Orthodoxy - ROFL. It quite scares me that life is getting too - prove it to me, it kinds loses the romance of blind faith. But when in Rome do as the Romans do ... this is the century God places me in! :) Vasiliki 09:38, January 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Vasiliki appreciate it hope we can generate some good information together for this. Yes, this is the century we are all in! Cheers Angellight 888 02:31, January 5, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for all your hard work

I am not the site owner but I am sure that if awards could be given to the most hard-woring Users on Orthodoxwiki there would be three to give out: you, Wsk and ASDamick! I wanted to pause at this point in my OrthodoxWiki career and acknowledge the efforts of those people who really do put a lot of time and effort into keeping OW alive and say Thank you for the work and time you put into making the articles rewarding!!! Vasiliki 03:53, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of History of the Church of Russia

You are more than welcome to start working on that one as well as me ... I am just going through various Russian articles and trying to pick up the basic dates that relate to Saints and to Hierarchs ..nothing more otherwise it will get too complex. Besides I dont believe in including political history since it isnt CHURCH history ... Vasiliki 06:55, May 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Vasikili :) Once I finish going through the historical info for the Timeline of Orthodoxy in China, I will try to have a look at it. In regards to political history, I do agree with you, however it is often very difficult to give an accurate historical understanding of a topic if you are ignorant of some of the more important surrounding events; the Church militant of course does not exist on this earth in a vaccum, separate from everything around it, and its growth and function has often been controlled in the past by situations completely out of its own control. If on the other hand we were writing a theological article, or something about the Church Triumphant, that again would be a different story. Regarding complexity, if the article cannot impart a flowing historical naarative of factual events detailing the growth of the church in that country/region, it does not really impart much edifying info I think; a list of saints and patriarchs can be found elsewhere as well. As with the main Timeline of Church History, it will take much work, time, research and group effort by everyone to make it a meaningful piece! But good job for starting it!! My two (or three) cents! Cheers! :):) Angellight 888 01:57, May 23, 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstood me (which is my fault not yours) and I agree with you there are elements of history that are important ... its hard ~(for me) to pick when (I) can go too far and what is relevant. No, what I was trying to say is if we can (stage 1) develop the Russian article without the political history so that we can capture all the Saints and the Patriarchs first ... when we are confident with that information THEN move to (stage 2) weave political/historical elements ...??? I am using the same approach for the British history ... Vasiliki 02:47, May 23, 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of History of Britain

Hey, I wanted to ask you a question not to be difficult but so that I can understand. The Table of Contents suggestion that you made shows a lot of experience and knowledge on your behalf. I trust it. But I have MY concerns with going with the predictable headings ... I thought the idea of creating historical timelines is about the ORTHODOX perspective and not the rest of the world perspective ... if you create those particular headings you are tailoring the article to the rest of the world .. not to how ORTHODOXY developed and changed. Example, Roman Period implies that the Romans held a period in Britain during that time when the APOSTLES went their ... not Romans! Thoughts? Do you get me? I hope you do. Vasiliki 23:24, May 25, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Vaso, yes I definitely get what are saying, and you have a point. However -- Orthodoxy developed and changed in great Britain within those greater periods that I identified earlier, such as "Roman Britain (43-410)". The Timeline articles on OW try to have the periods separated acording to major watershed events related to or of the Church; however this is not always possible to do this with some histories, and in those cases the larger historical period is what should be referred to in order to give shape to that era, and the events that happened in that era.
As regards the Timeline of Orthodoxy in Britain, I have done this on at least 2 occassions in my proposal: the break at 597 AD, is referenced by a new era, and of course the break at 1066 AD is also referenced by a new era - both times are important dates in the history of the Orthodox Church in England. The listing for "Roman Britain" is again valid I think, as that was the empire / gov't of the day until 410 and the church developed in that environment. Beyond that, as you yourself stated, post 1066 AD Britain was increasingly Roman Catholic and later Anglican and Protestant.
Perhaps you could come up with a unique name for a era in the twentieth century (with dates), when for instance, all the various Orthodox Jurisdictions created their eparchies / dioceses; even if we do that (which I agree would be a nice way to organize it) I think it would best be done as a subheading within the greater British periods I have outlined, a blend of both modes. Besides, it can always be modified. If you have no objections, I will proceed with the outline I suggested for the eras. Let me know. Cheers! :) Angellight 888 23:56, May 25, 2009 (UTC)
I am not in a position to argue :) I would PREFER however if you can work on the Russian article instead ... that would give me a chance to work on Britain (in terms of adding) the dates for the Saints and for the Hierarchs ... by keeping it 'simple" I can add all of those .. and THEN you can take all that information and edit it (at a later date) ..good compromise? Vasiliki 00:17, May 26, 2009 (UTC)
Will try to get to the Russian article soon, however I am still covering some of the history for the Chinese article; I would like to cover that completely before I move on. You can still work on the British article, even if I add the eras now; I think having the eras there will help you shape it better in the short term. Let me know. Angellight 888 00:23, May 26, 2009 (UTC)
MY AIM will be to populate with as much information as I can ... the accuracy of the headings is not a huge detail for me at this point as it is to get information in ... as for the jurisdictions ... I have a few contacts in England that I am waiting to consult - shortly! I would prefer to populate the article and then edit the information. Vasiliki 03:59, May 26, 2009 (UTC)


Regarding your comment on my Talk page, while I do think that's a handy reference, I don't think having a whole page or even section dedicated to it on OrthodoxWiki is warranted. OW is not a reference source for the details of RC organization.

Alternatively, perhaps an OrthodoxWiki:Research help page (or something like that) might be compiled to give editors pointers on proper citations and style, etc., as well as including some handy links (such as the one you mention) to help in deciphering sources. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 15:27, July 11, 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks Father. I thought so, just wanted to check. The Research help page is a great idea, will look into that soon. Cheers, Chris. Angellight 888 17:08, July 12, 2009 (UTC).


What is correctly for English: Metropolis or Metropolia? --Imerek 16:52, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Metropolis would be the better English usage. Glad to see you working on the Russia Timeline artcle. Cheers, Angellight 888 18:25, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Images and Category Question

Hi, Chris! Two good questions! Regarding the pictures and uploading, I'm at a loss. I noticed it when I uploaded the picture of the Nagoya church, but put it off as that someone in the know would correct the problem. But, I notice that even Father John has tried uploading with the same results - bad! I assumed (bad assumption) he would have picked up on the error. As the owner of the site, I had thought of raising the problem with him directly, as I would expect he has access to the technical side. Beyond that I don't know what is the problem or how to get it corrected. I guess I'm no help!!

Concerning the category. I noticed your original posting, and frankly couldn't come up with a position. I had noticed the Orthodox England site and found it useful. I guess I'm stuck, in part, with saying "Western", as what would that really mean! Pre-schism all saints were "Orthodox" and I looked at the Orthodox England site as highlighting what we in the "East" have generally over looked. So, would "Western" means the saints that Orthodox England has highlighted, or something else. I could see "Western" being interpreted as being something like "Western Hemisphere". I think I have been influenced by the comment, some time ago, about the ethnic attachments to the saint categories and what that may mean! I think we need some categorization for the saints, as there are thousands. But, I think we need some sort of categorization that doesn't imply some sort of "ownership" issues. And that I just haven't been able to come up with!!

You've done an excellent job on the time lines. A few high level dates are all that I could handle! Bill. Wsk 00:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Image Issue

Hi Angellight, please see my reply on my discussion page. Thanks. — FrJohn (talk) 07:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

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Angellight 888 00:07, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Russian translation

Hi Angellight: Sorry, I don't know Russian other than using the "machine" translators such as Google translate. Depending on the language the translator can do a reasonable job, but some such as Finnish can be rough. I don't know anyone that I can call on for translating, so I can't recommend anyone. Bill Wsk 01:47, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Moses article

Wow! That's a significant revision! I do have concerns about including entire services for saints. That could set a lengthy precedent for one thing, and I'm not sure copying out menaion services qualifies as fair use. —magda (talk) 22:25, January 8, 2015 (PST)

Calendar updates

Christ is risen! I see that you've been working on adding saints from Wikipedia to the calendar days. The Wikipedia sources you are citing on the talk pages also contain their own sources. Also, since you look like you're working at this systematically, please make sure that the saints already listed on the page remain there even if they're not listed on the Wikipedia page. (I re-added Ipomoni to March 13.) —magda (talk) 09:12, April 13, 2015 (PDT)