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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
<center>Please sign and date your comments by adding four tildes at the end: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{| style="border: solid 1px #aaaaaa"|'''[http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza&action=edit§ionTopics=new Add new post]'''|}</center> == a hello on a new page == So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. If I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC) : Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) == A note on something I noticed == Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC) : Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out. == author credits? == I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anythingprayer book comparison, I don't want to get into an edit war here. [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC) :The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially reviseswhat prayer /addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]]. ==St. Ioann Listvinnik?== I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error? Thanks. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC) Question: When it comes to posting biographical information, attributes should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up. *[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site : Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpinclude?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC) == August 6 and November 8 ==
They represent I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the mid-season daysprayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, standing half-way between depending on the solstice translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the equinox. The same holds true admins for Saint Valentinemy new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC): Also, as this forum doesn's Dayt seem to be super-active, which however is not celebrated liturgically and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in the Eastgetting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two.-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
* Summer Solstice== For Discussion: Birth of Saint John Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the Baptist (June 24).* Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).* Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).* Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).* Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).* Mid-Winter: Saint Valentine's Day (February 14, West only).* Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25).wiki? ==
There is I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no particular Midway wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -Spring Feast [[User:Dclark|Dclark]] (roughly around May 10[[User talk:Dclark|talk]])17:25, March 7, mostly because of the fact that such symbolism 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would have been swallowed up by the we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Great FeastSpecial:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]s tied 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[PaschaUser:Dclark|Dclark]]l cycle([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Oh, I think it's worth having here, such as too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[Palm SundayUser:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]], ·[[EasterUser talk:Koavf|T]] ·[[SundaySpecial:Contributions/Koavf|C]], ·[[AscensionSpecial:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]19:47, and March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[PentecostUser:Dclark|Dclark]] (or Whit Sunday[[User talk:Dclark|talk]])20:59, depending March 10, 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on how early the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or how late they fall recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the yearTrapeza archives somewhere. In the EastIf you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[CandlemasSpecial:Contributions/Koavf|C]] seems ·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that was enough to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a midfind https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -February celebration [[User:Dclark|Dclark]] (not that this does not happen [[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some extent . I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the West as wellTrapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, see ''Groundhog Day''2020 (UTC).
I think that this information might == Anyone on / want to be useful and interesting, but I have no idea ''where'' to add it exactly. — [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] ([[User talk:Luci83ro|talk]]) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)on a Discord server? ==
==Two questions==No one'''Please advise''' I like the category navigation at the bottom of s been on the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about [[AnabaptismOrthodoxWiki:Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by I believe none of the Orthodox other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and how these communities technical POV, Discord seems to have interacted in the pastsupplanted it for most people. I understand the point 'm currently on all 8 of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome hererelated Discord servers I've found, checking them out. '''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username? ''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:KoavfDclark|Justin (koavf)Dclark]]·([[User talk:KoavfDclark|Ttalk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23) 16:2457, October 2March 17, 2016 2020 (UTC)
:Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin == Call for the categories - new editors in this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history time of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phppandemic?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
::: How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I'd be interested ve been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to learn more about these dialogues — my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -[[User:FrJohnDclark|<b>FrJohn</b>Dclark]] ([http[User talk://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but itI think that's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ valuable for society and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://payfor this wiki, in its own tiny way.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get Finding something more substantialuseful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC):Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time. If I'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like. ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I'm not a mod, but it's great to have more activity here! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:2723, October 3April 2, 2016 2020 (UTC)
:::One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is == Could an admin add this CSS that we aim gives icons to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who, what, where, youtube and when'' rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"], although we also have an [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_reddit links (Point_of_Viewlike facebook)|"Orthodox bias"]].? ==
== ru.orthodoxwiki closure ==<poem>I decided '''Could an admin add this to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at allorg/User:Dclark/common. I have wrote css'''It gives icons to Main page talk about thatyoutube and reddit links, but recived no answers like the facebook icons you can see at [[:ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страницаLivestreams]]. I Also you might want to note that for almost 12 years add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left icons, as there is a bug where a message at that talk page. The project big space is completely deadinserted after the link which looks ugly, and no reason to expect its revivale.g. To make sure of this you can take a look at the list of in "[httpshttp://ru.orthodoxwikifacebook.orgcom/Служебная:Новые_страницы most recently created articleshere]. At " there is no space in the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in wikitext between the Russian Wikipedia link and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (httpNote: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://drevoastronautweb.co/snippet/font-info.ruawesome/). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talkNote 2:Чръный человек|talk]]) 12:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC):As There is a point bug in all of orderthese icons, I would propose that we keep including the content pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and have a banner that says that the site can existing facebook icon should be reactivated with simple instructions on how edited so it can be started up again (i.edoesn't do this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities. ask an admin here at the Trapeza). </poem>-[[User:KoavfDclark|Justin (koavf)Dclark]]·([[User talk:KoavfDclark|Ttalk]]·[[Special) 17:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:5751, January 14April 12, 2018 2020 (UTC)
