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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
<center>Please sign and date your comments by adding four tildes at the end: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{| style="border: solid 1px #aaaaaa"|'''[http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza&action=edit§ionTopics=new Add new post]'''|}</center> == a hello on a new page == So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC) : Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured If I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) == A note on something I noticed == Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC) : Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out. == author credits? == I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here. [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC) :The author trail is preserved in page historyprayer book comparison, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially reviseswhat prayer /addes to the articles, attributes should I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]]. ==St. Ioann Listvinnikinclude?== I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error? Thanks. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
QuestionI'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User: Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC): Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? == For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki Discussion: Could Early Modern English be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being added as that seems a separate language to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.wiki? ==
*I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [httphttps://wwwen.washingtonpostwikipedia.comorg/wpwiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -dyn/[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much contentdo you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/articleKoavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/2009Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/07Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/06Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/AR2009070602955Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbersorg to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC)*:Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.ssaorthodoxsource.govorg/employerMain_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security NumbersKoavf|M]] Social Security Administration official site00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
: Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can == Anyone on / want to be on a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpDiscord server?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
== August 6 No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and November I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 ==of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. '''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username?''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)
They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true == Call for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically new editors in the East.this time of pandemic? ==
* Summer Solstice: Birth How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of Saint John hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the Baptist (June 24)news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful.* Mid-Summer[[User: Transfiguration of Christ Dclark|Dclark]] (August 6[[User talk:Dclark|talk]]).* Autumn Equinox19: Conception of Saint John the Baptist 08, March 22, 2020 (September 23UTC):I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent.* Mid-Autumn[[User: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel Koavf|Justin (November 8koavf).* Winter Solstice]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22: Christmas 05, March 22, 2020 (December 25UTC):Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time.* Mid If I'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like. ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around -Winter: Saint ValentineI'm not a mod, but it's Day great to have more activity here! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] (February 14, West only[[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]).* Spring Equinox03: Annunciation 23, April 2, 2020 (March 25UTC).
There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact == Could an admin add this CSS that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied gives icons to the [[Pascha]]l cycle, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], youtube and [[Pentecost]] reddit links (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see ''Groundhog Day''like facebook). ? ==
I think that <poem>'''Could an admin add this information to the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the facebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]].Also you might be useful want to add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and interestingany other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, but I have e.g. in "[http://facebook.com/ here]." there is no idea ''where'' space in the wikitext between the link and the period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/)(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, including the pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it exactlydoesn't do this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities. — )</poem>-[[User:Luci83roDclark|Luci83roDclark]] ([[User talk:Luci83roDclark|talk]]) 0217:51, September 23April 12, 2016 2020 (UTC)
