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Eliminating directory articles
This is a general discussion page for OrthodoxWiki '''Administrators''' to work out various administrative issues, notes, and to-do lists. Our host and first-among-sysops is [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]].
*For the sake of grabbing attention with new notices, it's probably best to put '''new subjects at the top ''' of this page after the "Useful Admin links."  *'''If you are not an administrator''' and would like to leave a note for the admins to see, please put it on the [[OrthodoxWiki talk:Administrators|Talk page]].* For a who's who, see [[:Category:Sysops]] and [[Special:Listusers/sysop]].
==Useful Admin links==
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodoxwiki/ OrthodoxWiki Yahoo Group] - Low-volume closed discussion for OrthodoxWiki sysops. If you qualify, please sign up!
*[[OrthodoxWiki:Protected page guidelines]]
*[[Special:Protectedpages]] - lists protected pages
*[[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright problems]]
*[[Special:Listadmins]]
*[[Special:Listusers]]
==OrthodoxSource==
In case you haven't been over to [[osource:Main page|OrthodoxSource]] lately, we can now login there with our OW logins. A category structure needs to be worked on, as well as some basic documents to get things up and running well there, based primarily on existing category structures here on OrthodoxWiki. Obviously, not everything will map the same, but we don't want to reinvent the wheel any more than need be. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:51, June 19, 2008 (UTC)
 
 
==Category Sitemap==
In case anyone's interested in the category structure, I put up a [[User:Magda/Category Sitemap|sitemap]] of the categories on the English-language wiki. I find it exceedingly helpful, when trying to interwiki between languages, to have a common category structure. I think some of what we currently have could be improved (like the Orthodoxy by country, which includes "Western Europe" and "Asia" as well as countries in those regions). I would rather provoke discussion (this means you, Fr. Andrew) on the topic before making any sudden moves. And, no, I have no idea ''why'' I went through the whole thing, but there are a whole lot of categories. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:16, June 4, 2008 (UTC)
 
==New disciplinary policy==
All sysops should read and familiarize themselves with the new official [[OrthodoxWiki:Disciplinary policy|disciplinary policy]] as approved by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] on May 29, 2008. Comments and adjustments are of course welcome. Relevant templates for enforcement: [[Template:Warning]], [[Template:Warning2]] and [[Template:Banned]]. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 20:43, May 29, 2008 (UTC)
 
 
==Eliminating directory articles==
I'm of the opinion that we ought to eliminate all the directory articles. Here's my rationale:
 
*The function is fulfilled far better by sites like [http://www.orthodoxyinamerica.org OrthodoxyInAmerica.org] and other regional and jurisdictional sites.
*Keeping them up to date and fully accurate is almost impossible.
*Keeping them representative of Mainstream Chalcedonian Orthodoxy ''only'' is a continual problem.
*They're somewhat irrelevant to the role of OrthodoxWiki as an encyclopedia.
 
What do you think? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 08:16, August 28, 2007 (PDT)
:I agree. Keeping the listings up-to-date will continue to be a large workload especially with the addition of personal information such as the resident priest, that can change frequently. Having discovered the OrthodoxyinAmerica site really makes keeping a directory in Orthodoxwiki redundant. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 18:45, August 28, 2007 (PDT)
 
: Just adding another comment to "bump" this again to attention. Let's axe the directory articles! It's too much work to keep them going, and there's no way we'll ever be as accurate or useful as existing sites. I'd like it if other admins would comment on this. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 11:40, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
 
:: Judging by the ''accessed count'' at the bottom of those pages, it looks like they are being used, do you find much out of date info on them? - [[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 12:39, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
 
:::I may very well be a large contributor to the ''accessed count''. Fr. Andrew, thanks for the "bump," as I don't believe I'd seen this thread before, which raises excellent points. My only preference for having a directory on OrthodoxWiki is that I can *fix* things when they're wrong, like broken links. That desire can easily be focused on submitting corrections to the jurisdictional sites and/or orthodoxyinamerica.org. Also, I'm not sure what happened to the ROCOR directory. That being said, I have begun coming across regional organizations (included in the "external links" sections) which are not necessarily pan-Orthodox; would there be an appropriate place to include those links? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 14:46, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
 
::::Where other ''active'' sites exist that already have the information that we have (i.e. name, basic location, link to website), then it would be unnecessary to duplicate this; perhaps a link to that website would suffice. That said, I know that in my antipodean (well...) part of the world, we don't have anything of the sort, so I would be very much against this for the Australasian articles. &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 17:04, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
==Admin Mailing List?==I'm wondering if the other sysops/admins would find it useful or desirable to have :::: Magda, a low-volume mailing list for closed discussion. Any comments? Thanks, [[User:FrJohn|Fr. JohnList of parish directories]] 22:03article might do the trick, 27 Feb 2005 (CST)consisting mainly of a series of external links.
:As ::: Pistevo, y'all gotta get on the new guyball down there! :) Seriously, though, I have no problem with OrthodoxWiki hosting something until such time as an external site might be created. I'd even be willing to host it in my own webspace if someone else would appreciate something like thisbe willing to maintain the file and send it to me for FTPing. -- &mdash;[[User:DcndavidASDamick|DcnDavid<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] 06<sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 04:39, April 1, 28 Feb 2005 2008 (CSTPDT)
:I'm game. Something on [http://groups.yahoo.com/ YahooGroups], perhaps? --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 06:24, 28 Feb 2005 (CST)
==Appointing Sysops==I just wanted to share some thoughts about how I've gone about appointing sysops. BasicallyIf no one voices an objection, I'm looking going to start deleting the Parish Directory articles for the US within a few things: *Some degree of sanity as well as a healthy dose of balance and humility in content submitted and dealings with other people onlineday or two, for the reasons noted above.*A demonstrated commitment to OrthodoxWiki and a desire (or at least a willingness) to take I also have TOP SECRET information that SOMEONE is working on some of the administrative burden an external directory for keeping this site in good orderAustralia. *Finally) So, some ecclesiastical standing (as a clericspeak now, seminarianor forever hold your keys... or something. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, presbyteraGaramond, recognized Orthodox personalityGeorgia, etcTimes New Roman">Fr.) is desirable but not required. This is so because it is helpful to have those who areAndrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, in one way or anotherGeorgia, Times New Roman"authorities" in the Church moderating things>('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 10:43, andApril 2, of course, public recognition helps establish the credibility and status of OrthodoxWiki.2008 (PDT)
Hmm... I agree that strictly this isn't in line with OWiki'"If anyone aspires to the office of sysop, he desires a noble task"'s mission... BUT I also see Magda' (cf.1 Tim 3:1) s point that these are both pan- If Orthodox and easily updatable, unlike any other directory I've overlooked you or if you m aware of , and I note that these have someone to nominate for sysop duties please leave been popular "articles" over the years. Maybe we can wait a note little bit on my this? I dunno. — [[User_talkUser:FrJohn|user talk<b>FrJohn</b>]] page([http://www. Of courseorthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 18:20, April 2, I reserve all rights in terms of appointments and terminations. 2008 (PDT)
So far: Having waited a couple months without any major objections being raised, I've been pretty liberal in knighting sysops -- at this point we can use all the help we can get, and it seems to me to be a good thing to empower a robust band of trustworthy members to help manage the sitem beginning deletion. &mdash;[[User:FrJohnASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. JohnAndrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] 21<font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 14:5800, June 14, 27 Feb 2005 2008 (CSTUTC)
==Our new visitor==Take a look at [[Talk:Main Page]]: Reminder: With the deletion of each parish listing article, [[Talk:Western Rite]]we will need to delete the title of the removed articles from the Churches Category pages. Currently, and the recent history on titles for the deleted articles still appear in the Churches Categories but which lead to blank pages![[Western RiteUser:Wsk|Wsk]] article itself 18:09, June 14, 2008 (pay attention to edits made by IPs starting with 128.146.246.*UTC), and you'll see who I'm talking about. Just for further info, someone recently forwarded to me an email that this fellow sent to a listserv denouncing us:
::: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you link to what you're referring to? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<prefont size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <nowikisup>Date[[User_talk: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:35:56 -0000FromASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special: Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="Reader Michael Malloyblack" >contribs<sputnikpsalomschchika@yahoo.com/font>Subject: ]] <font face="Orthodox WikipediaAdobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:56, June 14, 2008 (UTC)
::Click on the Category 'Churches' on the main page. All the lists are still listed on Category [[Churches]] page.[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:21, June 14, 2008 (UTC)
Dear friends :::There are lists of other parish directories in all jurisdictions of [[:Category:Churches]], but not the one Holy and ApostolicOrthodox ChurchUSA directories, as we all know, the internet is a blessing and acurse! that I see. I haven't come across any category page which gives links to articles which no longer exist. Anyone with an opinion can publish Try refreshing the most outrageous lieswith no editorial controlpage or clearing your browser cache, perhaps.—[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 20:29, June 14, 2008 (UTC
:: Thanks. I notice that it is all cleared, now. Earlier when I noted a list was deleted and I clicked on the Category 'Churches', I only discovered still could get the listed page, but with a note that none existed as if one were starting a new page. I may have just caught the deletion process in the past two or three days an entry on alleged"Western Rite" 'midstream'. Sorry for my 'alarm'. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:40, June 14, 2008 (flags go up!UTC) Orthodox Church at this address:
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page
Fellow sysops, I have twice tried 'm proposing adding the parish directories of Australia to edit some of the most glaring errorsbe deleted, butaparently the original keeps reverting because these are currently available on http://orthodoxyinaustralia.com/ (providing more information in contentany event). The situation is worse with these articles as they generally don't get updated. Good idea? -- &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 02:58, January 21, 2013 (HST) -- URL edited 1/Feb/2013
If this Uniat essay cannot be changed: Hi! I think you have good precedent here, someone better informed than memust submit articles explaining especially if the difference between the OrthodoxChurch and the "Western Rite"pages are not being updated. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 21:38, January 31, 2013 (HST)
: Yep. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="WikipediaAdobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman" is often opinion disguised as truth>Fr.Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 03:13, February 1, 2013 (HST)
Reader Michael MalloyColumubs OH</nowiki></pre>:As you probably noticed that during our discussions in 2007 about deleting parish directory pages in the USA that I agreed in their removal, mainly over the issue of maintaining their currency. I still favor their removal for that reason. Also, even the effort of maintaining a simple listing of parishes for the world means thousands of entries, maybe tens of thousands, that should be in some orderly manner but could be difficult given the differences of opinions concerning identity of the ecclesiastical groups. (Transfer of my comment of User talk:Pistevo)[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 10:04, February 1, 2013 (HST)
::Thanks everyone! Over the next few days, I'''Addendumll change the directory pages to be links to the relevant page on the OrthodoxyInAustralia.com website, pending their deletion (before the end of the year). &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''' I believe Rdr. Michael has now registered with us as [[Usertalk:SputnikPistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]. I've posted the ' ''[[TemplateUser talk:WelcomePistevo/dev/null|standard welcome<font color="red">complaints</font>]] in his talk page.''</sup> at 18:33, February 1, 2013 (HST)
==Wikimedia Commons==I just ran across the storehouse of [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Orthodox_Church images and other files related to Orthodoxy] on the [Userhttp:ASDamick|Rdr//commons. Andrewwikimedia.org Wikimedia Commons]] 06:55, 21 Feb 2005 (CST).
::It appears he actually thinks How do you think we're talking about Roman Catholics here - and he's on can integrate these or best draw attention to these as a crusade to expose our attempt! Wow. That's impressive. I trust that folks will realize what this is all about and that the publicity will be good source for us! articles? I hope he can mellow outthink, grow in his attitudesas a rule, and make some good contributions in due time. [[User:FrJohn|Frwe should prefer images with open licenses to those from our other benefactors. John]]
::: It seems that [[User:Sputnik|Sputnik]] has had a change of heart. Glory be to God! --[[User:ASDamickFrJohn|RdrFr. AndrewJohn]] 22:01, 27 Feb 2005 (CST)
==Spam BattleplanYear-end inventory==I notice we've been getting hit by spambots latelyPlease see [[OrthodoxWiki:Inventory]]. Sadly, I doubt this problem will resolve itself. If it stays at this level, I think we can handle it, but if it increases substantially we'll have to take some preventative measures. What I would ''like'' to be able to do is implement a captcha system for anonymous posters. I was searching over at meta.mediawiki.org today and found only a teeny bit of discussion about this. The more radical solution would be to disable edits by anonymous users altogther. I don't think it's the best solution, but at least we can know that this would be the worst case scenarioThanks.
You can rollback an article by clicking on "diffs" from ==New Features==As of Nov. 21, 2005 I've enabled the option to show the Recent Changes # of users watching each page and then "rollback. (Check down below," or clicking "history" on near the metadata stuff.) I've also added a feature that page, then "compare," then "rollbackallows bureaucrats (i.e. me) to rename users without hacking through the database directly. This should help with the occasional request for account renaming." Note that anonymous edits can never be marked as "minor" so they'll always show up on "Recent changes[[User:FrJohn|Fr."John]]
If the spam bots ravage the site too seriously, we can restore backup of the entire site from the previous day or week, and then lockout anonymous users from editing. :Nov 28 update - Added [[Special:Editcount]]
So==Awards, let's keep Recognizing civic virtue on the watch against spam! Besides exhorting you, wiki==I just wanted you all 've been admiring Wikipedia's use of [[w:WikipediaBarnstars|barnstars]] to know that there is a plan award people who contribute their time and spam won't destroy us! (''talent to the crowd cheers wiki. We should keep this in mind as we continue to grow, and runs exuberantly from the stadium'')figure out how to adopt something like this for our local practice.
A few links of interest here::* [[Userw:FrJohn|Fr. JohnWikipedia:Barnstars]] 18* http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?BarnStar - pre-dating Wikipedia* http:00//www.thebarnjournal.org/stories/story018/index2.html - Images, 11 Feb 2005 (CST)some ideas for alternative barnstars
==Featured Article==What do yDon'all think about changing t forget the [[Template:Featured|Featured Article]] mention of barnraising on a weekly basis? Also, how do we choose? Perhaps we could rotate the choice between sysops who would like to participate. --[[UserOrthodoxWiki:ASDamick|Rdr. AndrewCommunity Portal]] 09:04, 8 Feb 2005 (CST).
==Standard WelcomeAppointing Sysops==Methinks a useful practice I just wanted to share some thoughts about how I've gone about appointing sysops. Basically, I'm looking for us to begin would be to have a standard welcome that gets added to every new user's Talk page few things: *Some degree of sanity as soon well as a sysop notices his registrationhealthy dose of balance and humility in content submitted and dealings with other people online. Included could be links *A demonstrated commitment to OrthodoxWiki and a desire (or at least a willingness) to take on some of the administrative burden for keeping this site in good order. This generally means a good record of broad interest in the Community Portalwiki.*Finally, some ecclesiastical standing (as a cleric, the Style Manualseminarian, presbytera, help pagesrecognized Orthodox personality, etc. ) is desirable but not required. This is what so because it is helpful to have those who are, in one way or another, "authorities" in the Church moderating things, and, of course, public recognition helps establish the one on Wikipedia looks like: [[Wikipedia:Template:Welcome]]credibility and status of OrthodoxWiki.
Perhaps ''"If anyone aspires to the best way office of sysop, he desires a noble task"'' (cf.1 Tim 3:1) - If I've overlooked you or if you have someone to nominate for us to do this would be to have sysop duties please leave a template with the welcome in it (note on my [[TemplateUser_talk:WelcomeFrJohn|user talk]]page. Of course, perhaps, which is what Wikipedia does, too), so that we could just post '''<nowiki>{{welcome}} --~~~~</nowiki>''' I reserve all rights in the new user's Talk page terms of appointments and not have to update each Talk page every time we want to include something new in the welcome message&mdash;we could just update the templateterminations.
Thoughts? So far, I've been pretty liberal in knighting sysops --at this point we can use all the help we can get, and it seems to me to be a good thing to empower a robust band of trustworthy members to help manage the site. [[User:ASDamickFrJohn|RdrFr. AndrewJohn]] 1221:3358, 2 27 Feb 2005 (CST)
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