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I have a picture of an Old Believer calendar from September 2005 that shows that the new year of 7514 from the creation of Adam began on September 14, 2005. This would make Sept. 14, 2008 the beginning of the year 7517 AM.
:A) Because Thanks for the years of this info. The ''Creation Era begin on September 1st, when referring to those dates from the perspective of the ''Christian Eraactually does span ''' they may be referred to as two years - for example "5508/5507 BC" (because the ''Creation Era'' starts in September, runs past of the ''Christian Era'' new year on January 1st, and it finishes on August 31st); therefore it actually spans two years of the Christian Era, from the perspective point of view of the ''Christian Era''. :B) All of the sources reviewed (except the source you quote above) refer to 5508 BC as the actual date, (not 5509), with Christ being born The statement in the actual year 5509 AM according to this system. If article that is indeed the case, thus 5508 BC + AD 2008 = 7516 AM. The Old Believer calendar date of 7517 2000 was 7508 was partially correct (not 7516) is interesting therefore -- it may be that for the year first half of Christ's birth is counted as the extra year); however strictly speaking, OR, as you sayyes, September 1st 2000 did begin the Era begins in 5509, not 5508year 7509 AM, and September 1st 2008 began the majority of the secular literature is in error. Will have to look into this some more. If you want to add the Old Believer calendar as a source (and a footnote mentioning that they use the date of year 7517 AM for Sept 2008) on the article please do so. We can easily correct the date to 5509 (with explanations) if that :This is supported by the case later, however::C)''' The medieval primary sources (in translation) quoted in the article (in translation), including Skylitzes and Choniates, support 5508 . Choniates refers to AD 1204 as the date'''::6712 AM:"In the year 6508 [1000], in the thirteenth indiction, the emperor sent a great force against the Bulgarian fortified positions (kastra) on the far side of the Balkan (Haimos) mountains,..."
::"The queen of cities fell to the Latins on the twelfth day of the month of April of the seventh indiction in the year 6712 [1204]."
:D) It may ::Sept. 1203 = 6712 AM; Sept. 2008 = 7517 AM:::'''Apr. 1204 = 6712 AM'''; Apr. 2009 = 7517 AM :Therefore the following chart for simplicity and clarity can be that both years are correct depending on phraseologygiven:<small>:* '''SEP. 5509 BC = 1 AM''':* JAN. Thus, using the date of 5508 BC as the start, one can say that = '''the year AD 2009 was 7516-17 1 AM''', as follows<br>:* JAN. 1 BC = 5508 AM::* '''January 1st to August 31st SEPT. 1 BC = 7516 5509 AM''' :* JAN. AD 1 = '''5509 AM'''(Jan<br>:* JAN.1 2009 - AugAD 2000 = 7508 AM:* '''SEP.31 2009, is still part of the one Creation Calendar year that started in September 2008AD 2000 = 7509 AM''':* JAN.)AD 2001 = '''7509 AM'''<br>:* JAN. AD 2008 = 7516 AM:* '''SEP. AD 2008 = 7517 AM'''September 1st to December 31st :* JAN. AD 2009 = '''7517 AM'''</small><br>:I will specify this distiction in the article. If you want to add the Old Believer calendar as a source please do so.
:Cheers,
:[[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 03:46, January 13, 2009 (UTC)
==Clarification - Jews/Hebrews==
Greetings. We are trying to translate the article into Romanian. We've stumbled across this in the first paragraph:
"and was characterized by a certain tendency which had already been a tradition amongst ''Hebrews'' and ''Jews'' to number the years from the foundation of the world".
What do the terms "Hebrews" and "Jews" in this phrase mean? Is it a Judas/Israel kingdoms distinction or something else? We'd appreciate your help. Thank you. [[User:Kamasarye|Kamasarye]] 13:40, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
: See the Wikipedia articles: [[w:Jews|Jews]] and [[w:Hebrews|Hebrews]], in particular: [[w:Hebrews#Hebrews_vs._Israelites_vs._Jew|Hebrews vs. Israelites vs. Jew]]. There is definitely the historical distinction between the people of the [[w:Tribe of Judah|Tribe of Judah]] / [[w:Kingdom of Judah|Kingdom of Judah]] on the one hand, and the [[w:Kingdom of Israel (Samaria)|Kingdom of Israel]] on the other; see also [[w:History of ancient Israel and Judah|History of ancient Israel and Judah]]. This would be the distinction implied in the article here (''although there are other facets or differences as well, including some [[w:Hebrews#Political_implications|political implications]] from a modern perspective'').
: As a point of interest note also that there is the historical distinction between [[w:Hellenistic Judaism|Hellenistic Judaism]] (which had produced the [[Septuagint]] beginning in the 3rd century BC - Jews of Alexandria and Jewish Diaspora), which group was largely absorbed into or became the Early Christians by the 2nd century AD; and [[w:Rabbinic Judaism|Rabbinic Judaism]]. However this distinction cannot be applied historically or with any equivalency to the Hebrew/Jewish distinction, although it also exists. Hope this helps. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 22:19, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
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::Thanks a lot, it does help. I'm in for more than I bargained for, though :). Indeed, as the Wikipedia article states, in Romanian we don't distinguish between the (modern) terms Jew, Hebrew, or Israelite - but we do have a biblical distinction between Israelites and Judeans !, so we're OK for this translation :). Thanks again. [[User:Kamasarye|Kamasarye]] 18:04, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
