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:FWIW, in Greek the title is actually 'the Ethiopian'. (also, pls remember to sign your posts with four tildes, as so: '<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>') -- — edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 02:07, July 31, 2006 (CDT) | :FWIW, in Greek the title is actually 'the Ethiopian'. (also, pls remember to sign your posts with four tildes, as so: '<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>') -- — edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 02:07, July 31, 2006 (CDT) | ||
::He is also very well known as Moses the Black, even in the Roman Catholic Calendar, e.g., [http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/saintm34.htm], and also Eastern Orthodox Calendars/sites, e.g., [http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=181],[http://www.stmaryofegypt.net/saints_moses.shtml]. Google: "moses the black": 13,900 - "moses the ethiopian": 9,530 as at 31 July 2006. | ::He is also very well known as Moses the Black, even in the Roman Catholic Calendar, e.g., [http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/saintm34.htm], and also Eastern Orthodox Calendars/sites, e.g., [http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=181],[http://www.stmaryofegypt.net/saints_moses.shtml]. Google: "moses the black": 13,900 - "moses the ethiopian": 9,530 as at 31 July 2006. | ||
| + | :Also true. Yes, the article may be better served to title St Moses "the Ethiopian"; may be better served as "the Black". | ||
| + | :However, a couple of things need to be kept in mind. Firstly, using "the Ethiopian" because using 'black' is considered to be offensive to a specific group in a specific location would not, imho, be a valid reason for changing (nor, in the case of African Americans, necessarily true: [[w:African American]]; [[w:Black people]]). Secondly, in terms of a missionary context, it would be better to stick with a larger title than to limit a saint to their country. Thirdly (and most importantly), the standard in article naming is usually the most commonly accepted form; while 'St Moses the Black' is the title that I am most used to, 'St Moses the Ethiopian' is the variant that I have seen on a number of new icons. | ||
| + | :On this most important of points, I do not have a ready answer, but only references - on the [http://members.optusnet.com.au/~goawa/lectionary.html Lectionary] of the [[Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia]], he is "St Moses the Ethiopian"; when you click on his link for his [http://home.iprimus.com.au/xenos/mosesblack.html Life], he is "St Moses the Black of Skete"; and the [http://home.iprimus.com.au/xenos/mosesblack.jpg icon on the page of his Life] appears to be "ο αιθιοψ" (which, I think, is trying to be 'the Ethiopian' - see it larger on [http://www.trinitystores.com/.php/catalog.php4?image=71 this site]). | ||
| + | :The obvious copout is just to rename this article to something like ''Moses (ascetic of Scetis)''; but perhaps, with other opinions, we may be able to reach a consensus. — edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 04:17, July 31, 2006 (CDT) | ||
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Does anybody think that this page might be better served if St. Moses is referred to as "the Ethiopian" and not "the Black"?
- FWIW, in Greek the title is actually 'the Ethiopian'. (also, pls remember to sign your posts with four tildes, as so: '~~~~') -- — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 02:07, July 31, 2006 (CDT)
- Also true. Yes, the article may be better served to title St Moses "the Ethiopian"; may be better served as "the Black".
- However, a couple of things need to be kept in mind. Firstly, using "the Ethiopian" because using 'black' is considered to be offensive to a specific group in a specific location would not, imho, be a valid reason for changing (nor, in the case of African Americans, necessarily true: w:African American; w:Black people). Secondly, in terms of a missionary context, it would be better to stick with a larger title than to limit a saint to their country. Thirdly (and most importantly), the standard in article naming is usually the most commonly accepted form; while 'St Moses the Black' is the title that I am most used to, 'St Moses the Ethiopian' is the variant that I have seen on a number of new icons.
- On this most important of points, I do not have a ready answer, but only references - on the Lectionary of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia, he is "St Moses the Ethiopian"; when you click on his link for his Life, he is "St Moses the Black of Skete"; and the icon on the page of his Life appears to be "ο αιθιοψ" (which, I think, is trying to be 'the Ethiopian' - see it larger on this site).
- The obvious copout is just to rename this article to something like Moses (ascetic of Scetis); but perhaps, with other opinions, we may be able to reach a consensus. — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 04:17, July 31, 2006 (CDT)
