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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
<center>Please sign and date your comments by adding four tildes at the end: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{| style="border: solid 1px #aaaaaa"|'''[http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?titleTopics=OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza&action=edit§ion=new Add new post]'''|}</center> == a hello on a new page == So... My goal is If I was to get to 4900 work on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28prayer book comparison, May 11, 2016 (UTC) : Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn<what prayer /b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, attributes should I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpinclude?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) == A note on something I noticed == Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC) : Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.
== author credits? ==I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC): Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself == For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back a separate language to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here. [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)wiki? ==
I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https:The author trail is preserved in page history//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and not typically in attribution I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the pagewiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not too worried worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about thisit I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, but2020 (UTC):Oh, especiallyI think it's worth having here, if someone else substantially revisestoo. Just make a page like Name/addes Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the articles, URL of the sister project? I have no problem 'd love to just take a look around with them remove archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the author attribution eitherold "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. By submitting content As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the wiki, they have agreed Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to license find it according , let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[OrthodoxWikiUser talk:CopyrightDclark|our copyright policytalk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some.I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
==St. Ioann ListvinnikAnyone on / want to be on a Discord server?==
No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaskaaround, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a church was consecrated in 1844political and technical POV, dedicated Discord seems to Sthave supplanted it for most people. Ioann ListvinnikI'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error'''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username? Thanks''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. :) -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 0116:1357, June 6March 17, 2016 2020 (UTC)
Question: == Call for new editors in this time of pandemic? ==
When it comes How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to posting biographical informationmy days, should we and have some sort of policy shying been a welcome focus away from posting too much information about living peoplethe news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially Americansif worded poorly, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -2011[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC):I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in particular its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from about 1987going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -2011[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, when you have some combination of family nameMarch 22, birthplace2020 (UTC):Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, and exact date of birththings here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, it becomes easier to guess social security numbersbut Coronavirus or not, especially if someone was born in I've not got a state with a smaller populationwhole lot of time. If I understand that much of this information is publicly available; 'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I just would rather not have 've been on OrthodoxWiki be since 2005; a lot of the "to-go" place for people looking to steal who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the identities of welldays before full-known Orthodox personalitiestime jobs and families and the like. My general policy has ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I'm not post exact dates of birth for people in this age rangea mod, being as that seems but it's great to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWikihave more activity here! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:23, and probably the most sensitive for identity theftApril 2, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.2020 (UTC)
*[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site== Could an admin add this CSS that gives icons to youtube and reddit links (like facebook)? ==
<poem>'''Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https: Not sure about //orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the SSNsfacebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]].Also you might want to add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, but I do think e.g. in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people"[http://facebook. Wikipedia practice can be a guide com/ here]. Obviously" there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the period, things like biographies and general biographical sketches there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are fineall listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/)(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, including the pre-existing facebook, especially when this information where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is not controversial in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and someone the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't do this, but this is a public figure alreadybeyond my CSS capabilities. — )</poem>-[[User:FrJohnDclark|<b>FrJohn</b>Dclark]] ([http[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC):Just thought I'd do a *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page is now linked to from the front page. If no one wants to do this I'll do it, I believe someone just needs to give me access to https://orthodoxwiki.org/indexMediaWiki:Common.php?title=User_talkcss --[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new Dclark|talk]]) 1713:5309, August 23April 26, 2016 2022 (UTC)
== August 6 and November 8 just a note about a Canadian Orthodox History Wiki ==
They represent I stumbled across this the midother day -season days, standing half-way between definitely not the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Dayas OrthodoxWiki, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the Eastbut interesting nonetheless: https://orthodoxcanada.ca/Main_Page[[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:02, November 20, 2022 (UTC)
* Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).* Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).* Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).* Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).* Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).* Mid-Winter: Saint Valentine's Day (February 14== Aligning Templates to Right/Left, West only).* Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25)allowing text to wrap.==
There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10)Hello, mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied to the [[Pascha]]l cycle, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], and [[Pentecost]] (or Whit Sunday), depending everyone! For those on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a midNew Calendar --February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as wellChrist is born! For those of us who aren't, see we''Groundhog Day'')ve still got a couple of weeks.
Right now I think that this information might be useful am trying to create/update the lives of the Prophets and interesting, but I have no idea ''where'' to add it exactlycreated a template for a series on their lives and not the Prophetical books themselves, as that has already been created and done well. — [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] ([[User talk:Luci83ro|talk]]) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
==Two questions=='''Please advise''' I like am having a problem with text not being able to wrap around the category navigation at template no matter what tag I add to the template or articles themselves, leaving quite a gap between the body of text and the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how I know this was set up for this wiki? Also, does not look good and I would be interested in writing about [[Anabaptism]] and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the pastam hoping to fix that. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:24, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
:Hi Justin. I don't think Could anyone take a look at if there is are any special plugin for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could issues in my Template:OTProphets to find where my error might be interesting. coming from? Or am I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope missing a tag that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpshould be added during article editing?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters primarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me knowadditions. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
::: IPlease let me know if you'd be interested re able to learn more about these dialogues — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantialhelp me out here. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
In Christ,[[User:Ioannplyler|Ioannplyler]] ([[User talk:Ioannplyler|talk]]) 06:One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who28, whatDecember 30, where, and when'' rather than personal interpretation2022 (UTC):Done. Thanks for your work. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "-[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[httpsSpecial:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/metaKoavf|M]] 07:04, December 30, 2022 (UTC)::Thank you, Justin! That is so much nicer.wikimediaI will be back on tomorrow to make some more additions to the minor prophets as I summarize the Synaxarion readings.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"[[User:Ioannplyler|Ioannplyler]], although we also have an ([[OrthodoxWikiUser talk:Style_Manual_(Point_of_View)Ioannplyler|"Orthodox bias"talk]].) 07:16, December 30, 2022 (UTC)