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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
<center>=Topics=Please sign == If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include? == I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and date your comments by adding four tildes at thanks to the endadmins for my new shiny account, -[[User: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark| style="bordertalk]]) 16: solid 1px #aaaaaa"38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)|: Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I'[ve created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/indextrash if you don't get anything after a minute or two.php?title=OrthodoxWiki-[[User:Trapeza&action=edit§ion=new Add new postDclark|Dclark]]'''([[User talk:Dclark|}</center>talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
== For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a hello on a new page separate language to the wiki? ==
SoI'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized.I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this.So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My goal is aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to get look at it if you don't want to 4900 ; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on unique articles before them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Oh, I think it's worth having here, too long. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd definitely eventually like love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the 4 flip appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to a 5commons.If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere.If you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf) There's a lot of stuff out there ]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that could be written aboutwas enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource. Take careorg/Main_Page thanks! -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 2000:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:2836, May March 11, 2016 2020 (UTC)
: Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion == Anyone on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpbe on a Discord server?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])
No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. '''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username?''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)
== Call for new editors in this time of pandemic? ==
== A note How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC):I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC):Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time. If I'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like. ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I noticed =='m not a mod, but it's great to have more activity here! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:23, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere == Could an admin add this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on CSS that, it brings you gives icons to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] youtube and reddit links ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTClike facebook)? ==
<poem>'''Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https: Hmm//orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the facebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]]. Also you might want to add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is this a bug reportwhere a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, e.g. in "[http://facebook.com/ here]." there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://phabricatorastronautweb.wikimedia.orgco/snippet/font-awesome/T89027. I also tried clearing caches)(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, running including the Special Pages update scriptpre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading... didnIdeally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't work. Since do this, but this is reflected on beyond my CSS capabilities.)</poem>-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[SpecialUser talk:RecentChangesDclark|RecentChangestalk]]) 17:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC):Just thought I don't think d do a *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page is now linked to from the front page. If no one wants to do this I'll do it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it outbelieve someone just needs to give me access to https://orthodoxwiki.org/MediaWiki:Common.css --[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 13:09, April 26, 2022 (UTC)
== author credits? just a note about a Canadian Orthodox History Wiki ==
I was under stumbled across this the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are day - definitely not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself same as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]]OrthodoxWiki, but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war hereinteresting nonetheless: https://orthodoxcanada. ca/Main_Page[[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:02:09, May 23November 20, 2016 2022 (UTC)
:The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises== Aligning Templates to Right/addes to the articlesLeft, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according allowing text to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]]wrap.==
==StHello, everyone! For those on the New Calendar -- Christ is born! For those of us who aren't, we've still got a couple of weeks. Ioann Listvinnik?==
Right now I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, am trying to create/update the lives of the Prophets and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), have created a template for a church was consecrated in 1844series on their lives and not the Prophetical books themselves, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or as that it might be in error? Thankshas already been created and done well. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
Question: I am having a problem with text not being able to wrap around the template no matter what tag I add to the template or articles themselves, leaving quite a gap between the body of text and the bottom of the page. I know this does not look good and I am hoping to fix that.
When it comes Could anyone take a look at if there are any issues in my Template:OTProphets to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away find where my error might be coming from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with Or am I missing a smaller population. I understand tag that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki should be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then added during article editing? I see someone here who keeps putting that information back upprimarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with some additions.
*[http://wwwPlease let me know if you're able to help me out here.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site
In Christ,[[User: Not sure about the SSNsIoannplyler|Ioannplyler]] ([[User talk:Ioannplyler|talk]]) 06:28, December 30, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people2022 (UTC):Done. Wikipedia practice can be a guide hereThanks for your work. Obviously-[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 07:04, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fineDecember 30, 2022 (UTC)::Thank you, especially when this information Justin! That is not controversial and someone is a public figure alreadyso much nicer. I will be back on tomorrow to make some more additions to the minor prophets as I summarize the Synaxarion readings. — [[User:FrJohnIoannplyler|<b>FrJohn</b>Ioannplyler]] ([http[User talk://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new Ioannplyler|talk]]) 1707:5316, August 23December 30, 2016 2022 (UTC)