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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
=Topics=
== If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include? ==
I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
: Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
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== I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a hello separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a new page ==like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
So... My goal is == Anyone on / want to get to 4900 be on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)Discord server? ==
: Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articlesChat|Eliminating_directory_articlesIRC]] - there is certainly room for overviews channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and historiestechnical POV, but a major problem with making a directory Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of parishes is that things can get the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn<'''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server /b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpusername?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information ''' (priestsI' names, for examplem Dclark) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in Perhaps we could petition the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want admins on whatever server we all mutually use to just clear out the whole thingmake an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 0116:3557, May 12March 17, 2016 2020 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])
== Call for new editors in this time of pandemic? ==
How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)
:I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)
:Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time. If I'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like. ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I'm not a mod, but it's great to have more activity here!
[[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:23, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
== A note on something I noticed Could an admin add this CSS that gives icons to youtube and reddit links (like facebook)? ==
Fr<poem>'''Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki. Johnorg/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the updates look great, thank facebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]].Also you for might want to add the hard work! <code>padding-right:) I've noticed a couple 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of little hiccupsicons, but it as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks like most of them have been smoothed out (ugly, e.g. in "[http://facebook.com/ here]." there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the captcha acting sillyperiod, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for onesome reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/). This isn't (Note 2: There is a big thing at bug in allof these icons, but under "Special Pages"including the pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the "active users list" TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't work anymoredo this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities. It always shows no active users)</poem>-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:51, April 12, and a note that it2020 (UTC):Just thought I's d do a cached *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page that might be up is now linked to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all from the timefront page.) I think somewhere If no one wants to do this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, 'll do it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you I believe someone just needs to give me access to the page that shows nonehttps://orthodoxwiki. Hope you are well! org/MediaWiki:) Common.css --[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 13:0509, May 19April 26, 2016 2022 (UTC)
: Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.== just a note about a Canadian Orthodox History Wiki ==
== author credits? ==I stumbled across this the other day - definitely not the same as OrthodoxWiki, but interesting nonetheless: https://orthodoxcanada.ca/Main_Page[[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:02, November 20, 2022 (UTC)
I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed == Aligning Templates to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anythingRight/Left, I don't want allowing text to get into an edit war herewrap. [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)==
:The author trail is preserved in page historyHello, and not typically in attribution everyone! For those on the page. INew Calendar -- Christ is born! For those of us who aren'm not too worried about thist, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]]we've still got a couple of weeks.
==StRight now I am trying to create/update the lives of the Prophets and I have created a template for a series on their lives and not the Prophetical books themselves, as that has already been created and done well. Ioann Listvinnik?==
I've been reading am having a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and problem with text not being able to wrap around the template no matter what tag I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps)add to the template or articles themselves, leaving quite a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to Stgap between the body of text and the bottom of the page. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody I know if this is correct or does not look good and I am hoping to fix that it might be in error? Thanks. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
QuestionCould anyone take a look at if there are any issues in my Template: OTProphets to find where my error might be coming from? Or am I missing a tag that should be added during article editing? I primarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with some additions.
When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when Please let me know if you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems 're able to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone help me out here who keeps putting that information back up.
*In Christ,[[User:Ioannplyler|Ioannplyler]] ([[httpUser talk:Ioannplyler|talk]]) 06:28, December 30, 2022 (UTC)://wwwDone.washingtonpostThanks for your work.com/wp-dyn[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/content/article/2009Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 07/06/AR2009070602955:04, December 30, 2022 (UTC)::Thank you, Justin! That is so much nicer. I will be back on tomorrow to make some more additions to the minor prophets as I summarize the Synaxarion readings.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers[[User:Ioannplyler|Ioannplyler]]*([[httpsUser talk://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security NumbersIoannplyler|talk]] Social Security Administration official site) 07:16, December 30, 2022 (UTC)