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~~Welcome to the Talk page of [[User~~<div class="boilerplate" id="stub" style="margin: 0 auto; text-align: center; background: #EEEEEE; padding: 0 10px; border: 1px solid #CCC; width: 60%; align:~~ASDamick|ASDamick]]~~center">'''Fr. ~~Please leave your message below~~ Andrew''' is currently reserving the ~~line~~right to make his wiki-contributions extremely sporadic.</div>

* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]](Dec. 18, 2004 - June 17, 2005)* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]](July 5, 2005 - Dec. 15, 2005)* [[/Archive 3|Archive 3]] (Dec. 23, 2005 - Aug. 2, 2006)* [[/Archive 4|Archive 4]] (Aug. 10, 2006 - May 29, 2008)

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== ~~Featured article~~ "Church" v. "church" ==

DnI understand "the Church" v."a church" when it comes to a parish. However, I ~~was thinking it would be nice to do something of~~ thought that one could also have "a Church" meaning an entity such as the [[~~Nativity~~Church of Russia]] ~~theme through [[January 7]] or so~~. ~~However~~Currently, ~~it doesn't look like we have enough information on OrthodoxWiki for~~ that ~~yet.~~ article (Jursidiction section) mentions: "This includes these self-governing Churches:" Is this wrong? (I~~'ll let St.~~ would appreciate it if you would add some clarification to the [[~~Gregory Palamas~~OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual#Capitalization|Style Manual]] ~~take a turn for now, but~~ on this so I ~~would like your feedback about the Nativity-theme idea~~can refer back to it.) Thank you. {{ —[[User:Magda|magda</~~sig}} 11~~b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 15:1305, ~~December 23~~June 2, ~~2005~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

~~:Well, of course~~ ==Vandalism 10June08==Figured just after I ~~was hoping you'd provide that~~did it... :~~) I don~~/ ...Wonder if there't s a way to have ~~as much knowledge and understanding as I would like to do what I want with this~~a setting where all of an editors edits can just be mass-reverted? — ~~still more questions than answers.:There's already~~ by [[~~Nativity~~User:Pistevo|Pιsτévο]] ~~and~~ ''[[~~Nativity Icon~~User talk:Pistevo|talk]]~~, and~~ '' ''[[~~Incarnation~~User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|complaints]]~~, but these need more expansion before I would want them to be featured. However, there could be other aspects as well, maybe a ''Hymns of the Nativity~~'' which talks about the theological importance; an article on the ''Magi''; and the geneology or forefathers of Christ; I'd love to see one which talks about Christ as the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophesies; ''Herod'' and ''Holy Innocents'' might be a good idea, talking about the world's reaction to the birth. You know, because everyone will have plenty of free time to get this up for this year... {{User:Magda</~~sig}} 14~~sup> at 11:4856, ~~December 23~~June 10, ~~2005~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

~~== On Egypt, Constantinople, Jerusalem, etc. ==~~

~~You are right~~* Thank you very much, Fr. ~~I guess you need a~~ Andrew. It's just my duty.--''[[User:Θεοδωρος|Θεόδωρος]]'' 12:02, June 10, 2008 (~~as a city/place of importance in Christendom and not just a patriarchal see~~UTC)~~. ER~~

~~== e-vangelism ==~~I've noticed you are able to delete particular edits from the revision history. I think [[Pope Saint Dioscorus I of Alexandria (Coptic POV)]] still needs help (or just to be transferred to OrthodoxSource and deleted here), but I'd like to know how to delete selected edits, and what the "undo" button does ... without harming an actual article. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:47, June 11, 2008 (UTC)

~~Hey~~:Thank you. ~~For~~ I hadn't even noticed the (show/hide) link until you pointed it out. —[[~~e-vangelism~~User:Magda|magda]] ~~page hte entry is not refering to the evangelical church movement. It is making reference to the literal meaning of the word.~~ ([[~~http://http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/~~User_talk:~~Dcndavid#e-vangelism Message to DcnDavid~~Magda|talk]~~I have made a new format for the entry if you want to view it.~~ ]) 22:15, June 11, 2008 (~~This probably meets the style and content better~~UTC).~~<nowiki>An e-vangelist is a person who uses the Internet to present the Christian gospel message to the world.~~

::Hmm. Poking it doesn't seem to work in this case. I can rollback to the previous edit, or I can undo, but each option seems to deal with single edits, when I want to go back several edits. I have tried several times to copy and paste from an [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Pope_Saint_Dioscorus_I_of_Alexandria_(Coptic_POV)&oldid= ~~Biblical Role ==~~60734 older edit], but I think that there may be too much data. I feel uncomfortable transferring this article to OrthodoxSource, because I don't know whether we have the right to use most of the material from this article (most of it seems to be from [http://www.coptichymns.net/module-library-viewpub-tid-1-pid-384.html this article]). In any case, if you can get the article restored (I give up), I think it needs a significant amount of cleanup. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 22:52, June 11, 2008 (UTC)

~~The role of an evangelist or e-vangelist in conjunction with the [[apostles]], [[prophets]], [[pastors]] and [[teachers]] is described in '''[[Ephesians]] 4:11-13'''~~== Help on Code ==

~~"''11He is~~ Hi, I have looked through the various Help Files but there doesnt seem to be one ~~who gave these gifts~~ that teaches you (or define) how to use the ~~church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists,~~ parameters (and ~~the pastors and teachers~~what these are) for code. ~~12Their responsibility is~~ I have been working on putting a {{ }} together but I want to ~~equip God's people to do his work and build up the church, the body~~ collapse my table. Do you know of ~~Christ, 13until we come~~ a reference I cna read to ~~such unity in our faith~~ educate myself on this code? and ~~knowledge of God's Son that we~~ what will ~~be mature and full grown in the Lord~~work on OrthodoxWiki? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:58, June 12, ~~measuring up to the full stature of Christ.'' '''"Ephesians 4:11-13'''~~2008 (UTC)

:Do you know if the {{#if:}} are supposed to work on OrthodoxWiki? They work on Wikipedia -- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]]

~~'''SEE ALSO'''~~== Recruitment of "expert" ==

Hi, I wanted to ask you to help me ... I am hoping that at this point in time, the number of people who go to OrthodoxSource is limited to ...two, three at the max ...because it will get crazy before a nice sensible 'framework' is put in place ... anyway, can you pop over to Orthodox Source for a moment ... and take a look at what I have started to do and please dont freak out ... I am pretty computer savvy .. the only problem is I am having difficulty with the #if code ... which is messing up the format for this template [http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Template:Author ''Development of Template for "Author" definitions"''] which is a key template to get this site up and running. Keep it quiet that I am working on that site because otherwise too many people will start sticky beaking into it and modifying things without the framework finishing ... -- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]]

So, who should I recruit??? See, my development so far ... I want someone to work with! Any ideas? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]]

== take a look .... ==

http://orthodoxsource.org/Author:Raphael_Hawaweeny

==Existing structure==

Thanks on the revert on my addition to the "graduates". I like to follow the existing structure a best I can. A few times I've noted what appears to be more than one path, usually over using similar titles for articles and categories that I think adds confusion in navigating. At this time I can't remember my "examples!" Multiple paths may be necessary sometime, but my intent is to work within the present structure and keep the structure simple to follow. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 14:09, June 18, 2008 (UTC)

==PSCA==

PSCA = "Provisional Supreme Church Authority [of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad]", aka the "Agathangelites" -- the latest schismatic jurisdiction to emerge in Ukraine. I'll get a brief article about them up. {{unsigned|Aleks}}

==Stuff==

1. I am not trying to live in '''"bubble" world''' where only I can edit and only I can do as I please ... so, please dont go inferring that I should "bugger off" and start my own wiki if that is what I want ...

2. I am not upset because you deleted the DVD articles, or Category links (because I make OW mistakes) I never said that so please dont infer that. I am/was upset with the overall revert you made to the OrthodoxSource Main Page. That was a significant (rv) and I just would have liked the opportunity to have been treated like an equal in that case - drop me a conversational note giving me a warning that you intend to do it. That was what upset me, ''''the fact you didnt think I was worth discussing it in the first place'''

3. I tend to get defensive with you because from Day One you have been pretty abrupt with me on just about every occassion ... so that pattern has made me feel like '''you dont think I am worth discussing with in the first place''' - even if you do talk to me ... it has been talking "down" on occassions, little comments in the past "highlighting" my weaknesses have made me feel inferior ... and have made me feel that everyone has a superior grasp of "English", I dont ... so ... I do note, that you are so willing to be "patient" with me; Wow, how awesome that you can exhibit ''patience'' with me? how good does that make me feel?

It doesnt matter. The point is, I dont seem to do it right in here. So, goodbye from today. I wont contribute to OW anymore if you all think that my contributions lack 'quality", what is the point of wasting my time and yours? - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:52, June 19, 2008 (UTC)

== My Apology and request for Help ==

I want to apologise for coming across (in written text) as such a cry baby ... I guarantee you I get frustrated that I can not explain myself simply and quickly and appropriately and I know you are a cool priest but I do get upset on big ticket items because all i want is the opportunity to discuss ... In any case, accept my apologies for going all huffy yesterday. I still stand by the fact I will not contribute to OW any longer since I feel that I am a nuisance rather than a help. However, in OS I really do want to contribute to developing the framework/skeleton (ie. Set up all the codes and the worksheets) that can then be "filled" with the revelant Bibliographical lists by others (or even me). To do that, I really need someone to talk with over in the OS wiki. At the moment, I want to discuss a framework for Liturgical Texts (BEFORE) I go ahead and set up the entire code/framework .... Can you help me? [http://www.orthodoxsource.org/OrthodoxSource:Discussion DESIGN of Liturgical Text Portal] - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:35, June 20, 2008 (UTC)

== Estonian "Issue" ==

Father:

Evlogeite!

Regarding your comments about the Estonian Church. You write:

"The reason for the difference in naming is that the EP's Estonian church is not regarded by the EP as a constituent part—rather, the EP regards the Estonian church as autonomous, having the same status as Finland, Sinai, etc. The MP, however, regards its Estonian church as being essentially an integral part of the MP, in contrast with the Church of Ukraine, which it regards as autonomous. Thus, the distinction."

Please explain to me, what the difference in status is between the Ukrainian and Estonian Churches (MP). It seems to me that both have the same status within the MP. The Primate of the Ukrainian Church is confirmed by the Moscow Patriarch; so is the Primate of the Estonian Church (MP). Hierarchs of the Ukrainian Church serve in the Council and Synod of the Russian Church; so do hierarchs of the Estonian Church (MP). In fact, the Metropolitan of Kiev is an ex officio permanent member of the Holy Synod in Moscow. The Ukrainian Church receives its chrism from the Moscow Patriarch; so does the Estonian Church (MP). The name of the Patriarch of Moscow is elevated at services in the Ukrainian Church and in the Estonian Church before the names of the Metropolitans of Kiev and Tallinn, respectively.

Thus, I see no difference between their status as "integral parts of the MP" or not. I do not know what the status of the Estonian Church (EP) is within the EP. However, it seems to me that, for matters of OrthodoxWiki:

1. If the Ukrainian Church is listed as an autonomous church with unrecognized autonomy in the box of autonomous / autocephalous churches, so too should be the Estonian Church (MP), alongside the Estonian Church (EP). This is already happening on the French version of the project.

2. There should be two articles. One called "Church of Estonia (EP)" and one called "Church of Estonia (MP)". The article "Church of Estonia" ought to be a disambiguation page. Doing otherwise may be construed as taking sides in a canonical debate.

Yours in Christ, --[[User:Aleks|Aleks]] 15:56, June 23, 2008 (UTC)

: Done --[[User:Adeosja|Adeosja]] 16:46, August 15, 2009 (UTC)

== New Article - '''[[Georgii Shavelsky]]''' ==

'''Hi, when you have the time, could you please create his Biography - [[Georgii Shavelsky]] - to compliment the osource Memoir you create? I have cut and paste a really bad "Google" translation of a biography I found from the 'source', see below. ... I do not read or understand Russian so there is no way I can edit the google translation for accuracy of information bc I can not cross check it with the authentic material in the Russian language. I created a OrthodoxSource article to link the Memoir you created, please visit [[osource:Author:Georgii Shavelsky]] to link the OW article and also modify the osource article.''' - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:22, June 26, 2008 (UTC)

* Source: [http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/shavelsky_gi/pre.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DShavelsky%26hl%3Den]

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*[Life, identity and fate of his father George Shavelski represents an unusually coherent whole. Since their memories of. George starts only in 1911, when he received the appointment as military and maritime Protopresvitera clergy, Publisher them. Chekhov is experiencing living need to give readers a better understanding of the life of this exceptional man and a prominent cleric. George O. Shavelsky was born on January 6, 1871 in the village Dubokray Vitebsk province, in the family dyachka that heavy peasant labour extractive piece of bread for his large family. Primary education has received in the future Protopresbyter Duhovnom College and then graduated from the first course Theological Seminary. Ahead holds the promise of higher education in the Theological Academy. But on. George has chosen to dedicate themselves to serving ordinary people, and in 1891 was appointed psalomshchika very poor parish of Vitebsk province. Here at the same time, and he became a teacher in rural schools. Four years later, he took the San priesthood and was appointed rector in his native village of another province. Two years later, his wife died, leaving him two-year-old girl. However, Father Georgy not fallen spirit, wholeheartedly commend pastoral work. Soon, on the recommendation of the bishop of Vitebsk, about. George was sent to St. Petersburg for the admission of Spiritual Academy. He brilliantly stood the entrance examination and immediately allocate as the best student of the Academy. [~~Evangelism]~~6]*[[internet evangelism]]As far back as when his student, about. George was appointed preacher at the Alexandrovsky Engineering Plant and decent in the name of Grand Duke Dmitry Konstantinovich in Strelna. As a student 3 - course, he became rector Suvorovskoy church. When broke out Russian-Japanese war, about. George volunteered to go to the front and received the appointment in the army regimental first priest, then divisional decent, mostly at the end of the priest Manchu armies. For his outstanding leadership and exceptional prowess (the risk to the life he visited the front line, where once suffered severe concussion), about. George was elevated to the rank of archpriest of St. and awarded honors. And St. George. Vladimir with swords.

~~'''EXTERNAL LINKS'''~~In March 1906 on. George returned to his pastoral ministry in Suvorovskoy Church in St. Petersburg. In addition to pastoral service, Fr. Georgy very early borrowed teaching activity. Since 1906 - till 1910 - the year he was zakonouchitelem in Smolny Institute, a professor of theology in 1910 Historical Studies Institute. In the same in 1910 about. George became a member of the military spiritual Protopresbyter. The next in 1911, about. George was appointed Protopresbyter military and maritime clergy Russian Empire.

Events shook Russia's first revolution of 1904-5. heightened public interest Church circles to religious education officers and soldiers. O. George was the initiator of special institutions for officers theological readings. His lectures always been a huge success. At the initiative on. George, such readings have been organized in Moscow, Kiev, Kharkov and Kazan garrisons.

Even before the start 1 - World War II, in the first period [7] his protopresviterstva (1911-1914's.) About. George has totally restructured and greatly raise the military and especially maritime clergy, it attracted a number of prominent clerics. It should be noted, and emphasize his ability and the ability to select a talented assistants and keep firmly in their hands, those, different abilities were not always at a height in nature. From the clergy subordinate to him, he demanded that everyone worked fully its forces and capabilities, but will certainly worked; negligent and stroptivyh he pursued and expelled. His kipuchey energy and skill to come to any good and useful case and bring it to the end, as well as their availability, responsiveness and willingness to come to the aid of everyone in need, he earned the love, respect and trust him in a subordinate of about 5,000 people (during the war) clergy, which in 1917 at its All-Russian congress elected him his life Protopresbyter.

By the end of July 1914. George has prepared a draft name to the highest total reorganization of management and maritime military clergy. To carry out his he was not given. Gryanula war. George O. received the appointment in Stavku High-Chief.

Further story of his life and work on. George tells himself to the attention of readers memoir. After the end of civil war. George moved to Bulgaria. Here he first became an ordinary priest. Outstanding ability and talent on the bright predicant. George was soon rated as the Bulgarian church authorities and local universities. George O. was brought to the pedagogical work first as a teacher Sophia University, then as a professor of Theological [8], Faculty of Sofia University, while he was zakonouchitelem and director of Russian grammar school.

George O. and was destined to survive the Second World War. He died rather quietly ugas 2 - October 1951. Despite the fact that the death of Fr. George could not inform all his friends, relatives and acquaintances, the news of the death of Fr. George razneslas with lightning speed, not only for Sofia, but also for the province. The funeral on. George attracted a huge number of people simply wanted to ashes beloved pastor and mentor.

Outstanding organizational skills, teaching skills, independence of judgement, faithful to their convictions, combined in on. Georgia with remarkable humility in his personal life and habits. This modesty especially stay invisible when compared with the breadth of its aid near and far. These qualities about. George Shavelskogo served as a source of legends, which is still in his lifetime became folded around his behalf.

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*[http://www.e-vangelist.true.ws E-vangelism.official.ws]</nowiki>

~~--[[User:Ari|Ari]] 22:45, January 2, 2006 (CST)~~

== The Reason You Make the Big Bucks == Fr. Andrew, as I noted on the main moderator page, the Liturgy of St. Tikhon article needs moderation -- more than you provided. I'm offended at being equated with my attacker, and had you bothered to read the bulk of the post, you'd note I more than presented a thorough case for why my edits improved the article. IMO, the word "almost" should be struck from the record, but the last time this same poster started three simultaneous edit-wars with me (Feb. 12-14), you threatened to ban us both if we ever did it again. (There I am getting blamed for ''responding'' again.) So, to avoid being banned by you, I'm asking you to do the moderator's job, read the background material about how the AWRV has implemented all these in actual fact (which you probably know already), and (if you're convinced) strike the word "almost" from the article (or if not, let us know why not). You're a moderator, and I'm tired of being blamed for responding -- so have at it. :) --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 03:32, June 28, 2008 (UTC):Thanks. I know how busy you must be with PLC coming up, but I appreciate your looking things over.--[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 22:56, June 28, 2008 (UTC) Deacon Ben got in trouble for "responding"? He deleted an entire article of mine. (I put it back :) ) BTW, Father Andrew, THANK YOU for being objective and noting that a page titled "Western Rite and Old Calendarists" was about the Western Rite and Old Calendarists. I would love to review what "Willibrord" was "confirming"-- forgive my presumption but the man has an agenda. I wish I had the exact quote of Patriarch Elias of Antioch the first time he saw the "St Tikhon" liturgy: to paraphrase, he expressed surprised at an Orthodox liturgy that never once mentioned the Theotokos. --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 21:14, July 18, 2008 (UTC) == Something the North Got Right == "I'm a Southerner by birth and at heart, though I do wish there were more proper bakeries south of the Mason-Dixon Line. That's possibly one of the major things Yankees have gotten right." They didn't do too bad at emancipation or crop-burning, either.--[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 03:36, June 28, 2008 (UTC) == Wikipedia: article or version permalink == I am curious as to why you changed the Wikipedia link back to the general article (for the [[Leo VI]] article). Since the Wikipedia page was listed as a source, my understanding is that OrthodoxWiki prefers the version permalink (cf. [[OrthodoxWiki:Style Manual (Importing)]]); for external links (not sources), I can understand using the interwiki for the general Wikipedia article, but this one is a source. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 16:22, July 1, 2008 (UTC) == Non-standard characters == I remember (so I hope this happened) discussing on the wiki the policy of using standard Latin characters for article names. However, I cannot find any mention of this policy or any discussion about it. I checked the move log, and the only moves for "standard characters" are mine. Do you remember anything about this, or do you have thoughts on writing this up as a policy? (I think it's a good idea to have non-standard characters within the article, and as a redirect to the article.) —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 22:06, July 1, 2008 (UTC) == "African Orthodox Chruch" ==Hi Fr Andrew :)I wanted to ask you about a topic I just came across.... In the [[Time of Church History]] article, the entry for 1924 refers to: ''"..Bp. Daniel William Alexander convenes meeting in Kimberley, South Africa, which decides to secede from the African Church (a Protestant denomination) and affiliate with the "African Orthodox Church" in New York under George McGuire;"'' Anyways, I accidentally came across a webpage that discusses the history of the [http://www.coltranechurch.org/african.htm "African Orthodox Church"], stating "The A.O.C. was founded by George Alexander McGuire in 1921." After reading this short summary, I am still not sure who this group is,..obsvioulsy non-canonical with mainstream Orthodoxy?? So, should we have an article on this group in the OW, for clarification purposes? Or at least an article on George Alexander McGuire? What do you think?Cheers,Chris.[[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:32, July 4, 2008 (UTC) == A request for Orthodox Christian participants in a project == Dear Admin AsDamick, Since I believe in the unity of saints in regards to Christendom as a whole and because I have read excellent works written by Orthodox Christians, I was hoping to get the Orthodox Christian community involved in a project. The project I currently have going is the refutation of atheism on the internet. As part of this effort, I created what is likely the seventh most popular article on atheism on the internet in the English speaking world and the article can be found here: http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism The article is currently ranked #7 at Google USA for the search "atheism". I can use this article to help other articles rank high on the search engines for various articles on atheism by featuring those articles in the aforementioned article. I currently work in the search engine optimization field which is simplified is helping clients rank high for Google for various topics and searches. I am willing to teach you some excellent principles in regards to this field so your material would likely have prominence on the internet. The principles are easy to learn and it would be my pleasure to teach my fellow Christians involved in a anti-atheism campaign some fundamental principles in regards to getting their material to rank high for the search engines and do it on a volunteer basis. Since Orthodox Christianity suffered greatly under atheistic communism, I would like to have the Orthodox Community be a part of the anti-atheism campaign. Also, there are many Orthodox Christians. Perhaps you could provide me useful feedback in relation to the above anti-atheism article. Also, perhaps you could help me gain the contributions of Orthodox Christians to the anti-atheism campaign. I decided to start this campaign partly due to the the New ~~Martyr circle~~ Atheism that has reared its head as of late. Please let me know if you or others are interested in any of the above. You can contact me at my user talk page. [[User:Manchuria|Manchuria]] 14:49, July 13, 2008 (UTC) == OSource Main Page == Hi, could you please replace current Main Page code with revised code that I have temporarily placed at: '''[[osource:Sandbox]]'''. Thanks - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:05, July 16, 2008 (UTC) == Hosting copyright material on OrthodoxSource == Hi, I have received permission from an Orthodox priest to host his articles on OrthodoxSource. Now, I wanted to make sure that this would be ok before going and dumping his articles on OS so that I dont get (a) myself into trouble and (b) OrthodoxSource into trouble. What is the process for "documenting" the permission to use the article? Its only me that has a copy of this email on my private gmail email - do I forward Father John Schroedel a copy and is that enough to cover orthodoxSource from copyright issues???? I am very interested to understand what to do from here before I start dumping his material. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:02, July 21, 2008 (UTC) == Help Me ... please == Can you please modify the Main Page on OrthodoxSource to '''"remove"''' the sentence ''"An online repository of archival and contemporary open-license Orthodox content..."'' which advertises orthodoxSource as "Open-license" ... I was emailing Father John Schroedel who explained that by this sentence it can be understood that: ''by open-license, I would mean something that can be freely copied, and perhaps modified. The Creative Commons licenses do a good job of allowing a range of terms and conditions while still encouraging the free use of the content.'' This is one of his concerns, since he visions: ''I had envisioned, for example, putting archival/historical content there -- such as the old pamphlets that constitute a large part of the printed record of Orthodox in the U.S. in the early part of the last century, or photos of Orthodox places that are distributed under a creative commons license, or other public materials, epecially those items of significance for the history and identity of the Orthodox community.'' I would like to make him happy (and do things right of course) but I can not modify the Main Page to rectify this mistake of mine :-) That sentence ''"An online repository of archival and contemporary open-license Orthodox content..."'' is a direct cut and paste from "WikiSource" when I was setting up the structure and since you have locked the Main Page, I can not rectify my edit ...- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:49, July 21, 2008 (UTC) == Fr John - old Pamphlets == Hi, because I am in Australia picking up the phone is a hard thing to do :-) Can you speak with Father John and ask him which Pamphlets he would like loaded onto OrthodoxSource. I am happy to start "setting" it all up for him ...if you like you can email me the *.pdf's on my personal email ... Do you know how to access my email without me having to post it publicaly? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:07, July 22, 2008 (UTC) : I really have no idea what you're talking about. Unfortunately, I am also unable to do much outside contact at the moment, since I am at a clergy conference and away from home. (I also don't even have Fr. John's phone number!) —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 19:31, July 23, 2008 (UTC) == Taxiarhis == Look, thanks for that. I did a OW search on the word "Taxiarhis" and did not find it ... it never occured to me to search on the "Taxiar'''c'''his" spelling ... thanks for fixing up and sorry to waste your time on something I should have picked up in the first instance. - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:14, July 30, 2008 (UTC) == Good-morning == Hi, I am a little confused because I didnt revert anyones edits (?) As for the actual note you left on my page ... Thanks and Sorry, if I "intercepted" the edit by the Publication company but I didnt think (at the time) I made any drastic changes (like I didnt delete anything). I dont believe I 'disciplined' them either I made a friendly suggestion and encouraged them by even adding a link and the potential for them to contribute! Anyway, I dont know why as a grown woman I have to explain and apologise by now you should know that I am keen in assisting here so by default - SORRY! Thanks for the heads-up! Maybe you can think about "using"/or "directing" me towards what you actually want from me because quite frankly it gets tiring doing the wrong thing all the time :-) and then being 'advised' :-) so, I will leave it up to you to leave a "task list" for me to follow through on. Cheerio and God Bless. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:50, August 6, 2008 (UTC) == Email ==What are the steps in "My Preferences" for making my email accessible without being public? - [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:07, August 6, 2008 (UTC) ==Talk:Sarum Use==Hello Fr, I was trying to add some comments to this discussion page, and when I tried to save it removed all existing comments. Tried to undo the revision, and the undo did not save. Not able to restore,,can you please help?? Thanks, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 21:22, August 26, 2008 (UTC) == http://www.chrysostom.org/writings.html == Hi, two of your links do now work on the "Writings" page ... :BEATITUDES: http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/St.Pachomius/matthom15.html:LORDS PRAYER: http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/St.Pachomius/matthom19.htmlI thought you might want to know this so you could update the page.[[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:28, November 2, 2008 (UTC)

~~[[Saint titles]] has~~ PS. I also took a photo of an icon of Chrysostom within the Church of the Holy Trinity, Taksim, Constantinople. It is a ~~link to [[New-martyr]] which redirects~~ gorgeous fresco of him ... I am more than happy to ~~[[New Martyrs]] which redirects~~ give you permmission to ~~[[Saint titles]]~~use it on your webpage ... ~~[[New-Martyr]] is the main redirect~~ oh yeah, and His relics (~~in all~~ God Bless, at the ~~calendric pages~~Patriarchate I was weeping when I realised who I was venerating) ~~to [[Saint titles]]~~. ~~Perhaps I should have changed~~ ..one catch only ... can you change the ~~link on~~ background colour of the web page from black to something more positive and colourful like white?? LOL [[~~OrthodoxWiki~~User:~~Articles from the DEC~~Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] ~~page so it would be to ''New-Martyr'' insteada of creating ''New Martyrs'' as another redirect. {{User:Magda/sig}} 15:34, January 3, 2006 (CST):I suspected as much; hence my comment, rather than trying to "fix" things. :) {{User:Magda/sig}} 15~~23:3630, ~~January 3~~November 2, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

== ~~Eve~~ Osource ==Hey, it's getting all too hard :-)

~~Dn.~~ I ''have'' asked in the past for some assistance but been ignored - except for Andrew, ~~when~~ who has legitimately stepped in and helped set up codes and stuff. Awesome guy. I ~~search for "Eve"~~ can offer again, what I ~~am redirected to [[Adam and Eve]]~~said months ago, ... if '''you''', or someone, ~~but when~~ can just '''DUMP material''' into a Sandbox ... that you believe should be ON Osource or you want on Osource ... I ~~get to~~ will do the ~~search page (as opposed to using~~ clean up work and categorisation and formatting the ~~search in the nav~~very next day :-~~bar~~)~~, I get no hits at~~ if we dont allcome to some working solution the site will just sit there neglected . ~~Any suggestions? (My preferences~~ .. which would be such a shame as there are many people who are ~~set such that all of~~ accessing it to read the ~~namespaces are selected as a range, and I don't have a problem with searching for "Adam~~articles.~~") {{User:Magda/sig}} 08:34, January 4, 2006 (CST)~~

So, what do you say? Will you work with me? Give me 'dumps' of "anytyhing" that does not breach copyright and I will fix it up for the good of OW/OS and the Orthodox community?

~~==Redundancies==~~[[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:29, November 20, 2008 (UTC)

Dn. Andrew: Thanks for the heads up. It struck me after I added the Japan banner. Your comment confirmed it. I must say your are quick on the editting. I don't mind it as I keep finding I left something out or missed somewhere and I find it nice having yours and Magda's editting help.[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 10:07, January 5, 2006 (CST)== Updating The Great Schism ==

~~== Bishop v~~Fr. ~~Hierarch, Patriarch v. Primate ==~~Andrew:

~~When creating categories and lists, do~~ Who would you ~~think it would be better~~ prefer that I get permission from to ~~use the current title of a see, e.g. ''bishop'', or a more general title~~post this material? (I will do so, ~~e.g.~~if possible) , ~~''hierarch''?~~ because I~~'m looking at [[:Category:Bishops]].~~believe it will greatly benefit this article!

~~To take an example~~Thanks, [[List of Patriarchs of Constantinople]] has bishops of Byzantium, bishops of Constantinople, archbishops of Constantinople, and then patriarchs of Constantinople. The listings, i.e., each bishop, would potentially be included in a similar category: [[:Category:Patriarchs of Constantinople]]. However, those falling under "bishops of Byzantium" might not be included in this category (cf. [[Apostle Andrew]]). That's why I am trying to think of a better way to organize.

~~The options as I see them:# If the see is ''now'' a~~ Jaye (~~bishopric/archbishopric/patriarchate~~Jacifus)~~, all the hierarchs of that see will be included in a list and category of (bishops/archbishops/patriarchs) of that see.~~# For any given see, the ''hierarch'' would be included in the list and category of ''hierarchs'' of that see; any see which is now a patriarchate will have its primates included ''instead'' in the list and category of ''primates'' of that patriarchate.~~# Each category and list will be its own individual entity.~~

~~Your thoughts? {{User:Magda/sig}} 14:24, January 5, 2006 (CST)~~== Great Schism Edit ==

~~:Your patent answers (which I never seem to think of) are why I keep asking you questions~~Fr. ~~Thank you. {{User:Magda/sig}} 10:47, January 6, 2006 (CST)~~

~~== Iakovos correspondence ==~~I respectfully disagree that the Entire Eastern Church was not excommunicated. The Bull said as much. I refer you to Bishop Kallistos "The Orthodox Church". I consider his account to be carefully researched and accurate.

The only other place I can find this information is the [[Wikipedia:Iakovos, Archbishop of America|Wikipedia page]]. Currently, the website of the Department of Pastoral and Social Theology of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki is down. {{User:Magda/sig}} 20:29, January 7, 2006 Jaye (~~CST~~jacifus)

: Please refer comments on the content of specific articles to their respective talk pages. Thanks! —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. ~~Tikhon's Photo~~ Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:08, December 14, 2008 (UTC)

~~[[Image:St_Tikhons_Monastery.jpg|100 px]] Would you mind if I reuploaded your St. Tikhon's photo, with the power lines Photoshopped out? -[[User:HiFiGuy|HiFiGuy]] 11:47, February 2, 2006 (CST)~~== Editing OId Believers ==

~~:Only because I think that the power lines are distracting; if you look for photos of The Alamo~~Dear father Andrew, you'll frequently find a giant sign for the Crockett Hotel in the background... unless they've been Photoshopped out--and it frequently has been. Imagine if you could get a ladder and take a photo of the church from right at the power lines (so they wouldn't appear in the photo). Failing that, it's much easier to just make a little tweak. On the other hand, maybe a photo with the power lines in will encourage a donor to help pay to bury them. This is merely a suggestion; I thought I'd ask here, first. -[[User:HiFiGuy|HiFiGuy]] 12:56, February 2, 2006 (CST)

~~== Capping of headings and sub-headings ==~~Perhaps you should have a look at the Old Believers article one again. All cleaning up has been reverted by Fatman2021, without any explanation on the Discussion page.

I ~~noticed that~~ suppose we don't leave the article as it is now and if you ~~edited a recent editing of mine which capitalized "External links" in~~ have the ~~article on his emminence [[Dmitri (Royster) of Dallas|Dmitri]].~~ authority to clean up once again, I'~~m curious why some headings get title case and others get sentence case~~d strongly suggest you'd do so. ~~Even in~~ (If I were to do the ~~style guide~~job, ~~which doesn~~I'~~t mention them specifically, there appears to be inconsistency~~m afraid an edit war with Fatman2021 may become inevitable. --) [[User:~~Basil~~Vasstar|~~Basil~~Vasstar]] 2314:4413, ~~March 11~~December 14, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

:~~:Thanks for the reply. I figured something along those lines was up. Also, I '''totally agree''' with your assessment of the misuse of title case in much English~~== URGENT -~~speaking Orthodoxy. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 18:14, March 13, 2006 (CST)~~Ambush by computer generated Users ==

~~== Alternate flag/cross image ==~~Hi, we are about to be ambushed by computer generated User accounts ....... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:05, December 17, 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Orthodox us.gif|thumb|left]]I am not sure exactly why, but the current image used to mark pages discussing Orthodoxy in the US, using the orthodoxyinamerica template, has always bugged me, almost to the point ==Name of offense. I think perhaps it is because the presentation is so direct, almost confrontive, and the impression to me is of a single, new flag --- a sort of Byzantine Empire of America flag --- not a flag with a cross superimposed.ROC==

I~~'ve whipped up an alternative~~have read the policy by the link you have indicated. ~~It's clearly inspired by your original image --- even to~~ Frankly, i did not quite get the meaning clear, or the ~~point of using~~ purpose thereof. The thing with the ~~original pectoral cross --- but uses a photo~~ ROC is that there are 2 legally official names of ~~a US flag flying in~~ the ~~wind~~ entity (~~actually taken on Liberty Island~~as registered by the RF Justice Minisrty): ''Русская православная церковь'' and ''Московский патриархат''. ~~Since your original image is~~ In all honesty, the name used in the PDrelevant article has never been in existence, ~~and~~ albeit it could be an historiographic designation covering the ~~image~~ multitude of names; in effect the ~~flag~~ ROC had not had a properly official name prior to 1943, when it was ~~taken from stock.xchng and has no restrictions, I've attached a CC license~~formally recognised by state under this name. --[[User:~~Basil~~Muscovite99|~~Basil~~Max]] 2218:0200, ~~March 13~~December 18, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

: This is answered on [[Talk:Church of Russia]]. As is noted in a number of our policy documents, we have our own taxonomy here, which often does not reflect official, legal names. The official OrthodoxWiki standard for all Orthodox churches is ''Church of [Place]''. This policy has been in effect pretty much since the wiki was founded in 2004. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 19:37, December 18, 2008 (UTC)

::*I can perfectly see the logic behind such taxonomy and even accept it. But the point is, as i noted in my original edit comment, that such designation is not only formally incorrect, but in essence as well (by essence i mean the ecclesiological reasoning that obviously underpins your taxonomy). This is no more a Church of Russia than it is a Church of Ukraine (in fact, Ukraine could well lay a historically better grounded claim to it), or Latvia, for that matter. If one were to base the wording of the designation on the title of a Primate in question (which would be a legitimate thing to do within your taxonomy), the article would have to be called "Church of Moscow" (or "Church of Rus"). Paradoxically, you have chosen to employ the current official name of a country, which constitutes only a fraction (less than half by parish numbers) of the "canonical territory" of the ROC. How can you warrant that?[[User:Muscovite99|Max]] 20:00, December 22, 2008 (UTC)

::I: It'~~m glad you like it~~s warranted with a combination of basic ecclesiology (i.e. ~~Thanks for~~ , the ~~info on the cross~~Church is not "Russian," "Greek," etc. ~~I seem to remember seeing~~ , but it as is the Church in and of a ~~wall cross~~particular place—Russia, ~~now that you mention it~~Greece, etc.) and ~~I'm sure I own one that is in the possession~~ of ~~someone else right now~~English usage. (~~Military life and all~~"Church of Russia" gets about 30,000 hits on Google.) -- It's notably the usage of such groups as the OCA[~~[User~~http:~~Basil|Basil~~//www.oca.org/OCworldrussia.asp?SID=2]~~] 06:13~~, ~~March 15~~etc. Of course its usage pales in comparison with "Russian Orthodox Church, ~~2006~~ " but that term is objectionable for the reasons previously noted. (~~CST~~"Church of Moscow" is a somewhat idiosyncratic term hardly ever used except in larger, translated phrases such as "Estonian Church of Moscow Patriarchate.")

~~== A question ==~~::: The many parishes in Ukraine are covered by a separate article: [[Church of Ukraine]] (along with articles on the irregular bodies, as well).

~~See my question on~~ ::: No matter what one names these articles, they'll not be satisfactory to all. This is what our policy here is. Our policy has been to use the ~~[[Theotokos]] TALK page. If you could find~~ city names for the ancient patriarchates but common country names for the newer autocephalous and autonomous churches (the exceptions are the OCA, which is of somewhat irregular status, and the ~~time to explain that to me~~Church of Sinai, ~~it would be greatly appreciated~~which designates a region). ~~Thanks so much~~ You'll notice that this is consistently the case.

::: Anyway, the proper place to discuss the names of articles is on the talk pages of the articles themselves. That way, everyone interested in working on the article can participate. Please direct future comments to [[Talk:Church of Russia]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:~~Acedaroflebanon~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|~~Acedaroflebanon~~THINK!]] 12''') 21:3225, ~~March 19~~December 22, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CST~~UTC)

== ~~Thanks for the Reminder~~ Prove to Me that We need that Guy ==

~~Thank~~ I will be the first to put UP my hand and say "WE NEED THAT GUY"! bet you ~~for reminding me about obtaining proper permission. All of the images have now been confirmed by OCA.~~ never thought I would say that they way "sou vgazo glwssa oli tin wra" [[User:~~Pkdimarco~~Ixthis888|~~Pkdimarco~~Vasiliki]] 03:15~~:55~~, ~~April 12~~December 19, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CDT~~UTC)

: Vasiliki, it's not "we need ''that guy''," but rather I'm the Guy Who Says "Prove To Me That We Need That [article/addition/thing/etc.]." There is a reason why I placed the hyphens where I did. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] (~~Image~~'''[[User:~~Andrew Stephen Damick.jpg~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') ~~after it had been deleted after a vandal attack~~ 21:04, December 19, ~~but~~ 2008 (~~it seems~~UTC)::I give up ... I just wish you could not be so 'scholastic'with me some times and just ... lighten up :) ~~failed; sorry~~I apologise in advance ... ~~--{{~~[[User:~~Pistevo/sig}} 20~~Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 13:5413, ~~April 17~~December 20, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CDT~~UTC)~~, edited 07:03, Apr 18, 2006.~~

::~~I tried~~: Vasiliki, ~~too~~it's not "scholastic" to expect that readers actually read carefully. ~~I couldn~~It'~~t figure out how to do it~~s just good language usage. ~~But I guarantee~~There's a reason why grammar, syntax, punctuation, etc., ~~no image is better than~~ work the ~~one I deleted~~way they do. ~~{{User:Dcndavid/sig}} 21:27, April 17, 2006 (CDT)~~It might help if you didn't so frequently assume the worst when reading what other folks write.

:~~No question. Something that I've done that~~ :: Certainly, perhaps this level of reading and writing comprehension is not needed for everyday life (though I think ~~should be~~ it is!), but it surely is absolutely crucial when writing a ~~matter of course - sysop and important images (~~reference work like ~~icons) should be protected.~~ an encyclopedia! ItIndeed, if being "scholastic" is needed anywhere, it's ~~just too easy to vandalise~~here. ~~--{{~~—[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:~~Pistevo~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</~~sig}} 22~~small> 16:3221, ~~April 17~~December 20, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CDT~~UTC)

==~~Macedonians~~Timeline ==~~Would appreciate your opinions on [[Talk~~Hello Father, Eulogeite. First I wanted to wish you very warm Christmas wishes. Christ is born, Glorify Him! :~~Orthodoxy in Australasia]] regarding whether~~ )I wanted to ask if I can proceed and create the 10 sub-articles for the Timeline of Church History article (one sub-article for each of the ~~Macedonian metropolitanate should be~~ 10 periods listed on the main article). Each sub-article would look exactly the same as ~~another Orthodox structure~~the main article now does ,except that it would contain only the information for that particular era of course. I proposed a criterion on the talk page for what may be included on the reduced main timeline page; basically, if you agree and I can proceed to create the 10 sub-articles, with your blessing, and then shorten the remaining main article according to the criteria I attempted to set out, it would be great; I would emphasize that no information would be lost -- all the complete listings of the current timeline would remain on the 10-sub-articles. Or, I could create the 10-sub-rticles, and then you could do the final edit (~~also posted on~~ reduction) of the main page then? Just an idea! Please let me know what you think! Cheers and Merry Christmas Father. Chris. :)[[~~User_talk~~User:~~FrJohn~~Angellight 888|~~Fr John~~Angellight 888]]~~'s talk page) --{{User:Pistevo/sig}} 17~~03:5503, ~~April 30~~December 21, ~~2006~~ 2008 (~~CDT~~UTC)

==~~[[HOCNA]]~~Deletion of template==~~Thanks :) .~~ HEY - you deleted two templates so all the information on these is GONE! How do I get the information back? I know you are the moderator/administrator but can you PLEASE just ~~got sick of there being two versions and ''still'' having~~ ONCE be kinder ... give me a 24 hour notice to MOVE the information????? Can you please resupply the ~~first version changed to look surprisingly like~~ stuff IN the ~~second~~templates. ~~--{{~~[[User:~~Pistevo/sig}} 06~~Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:5500, ~~May 5~~January 1, ~~2006~~ 2009 (~~CDT~~UTC)

: It's not gone. I've noted on your Talk page where you can find it. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr.Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]'''~~m getting the hang of it~~ ) 13:50, January 1, 2009 (~~the very basics, at least.~~UTC) ~~I just noticed that you'd replied to my query about the witan, as well.~~

Out of personal interest, were you pretty much assured of your first choice seminary once you were accepted as a seminarian? You see, my boyfriend (we're Antiochian, too) would love to go to St. Vlad's, but every now and then he has a panic attack that he could be sent off to, say, the hinterlands of Alaska. In any case, he's planning on speaking to Bishop Basil in September when the Bishop comes to Texas, so we'll see. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 15:14, May 9, 2006 (CST)== Font Colours ==

~~==Photos==Thank you~~Which article talks about how to do font colours and different text styles in HTML? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:25, ~~Father Deacon. Your point is well taken - the fine point of the Law! I'll change the attribution as you recommend. Also. in up loading the photos~~January 5, I first titled the files and then uploaded them without taking in account the warning of not using an '&' in the file name. I tried to figure out how to remove the offending file but couldn't. I would appreciate if you could make the correction - removing the offending file.2009 (UTC)

: There isn't one on the wiki. There are plenty of HTML tutorials elsewhere, though. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 04:20, January 6, 2009 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Abouna_Matta_El_Meskeen.jpg This] looks to be the source of [[:Image:416px-Abouna_Matta_El_Meskeen.jpg]]. Would this qualify as public domain, or would it still fall under GFDL? The wikipedia language states that "All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License," but fails to convince me of the status of the image there. {{User:Magda/sig}} 14:38, May 16, 2006 (CDT)== Ah you're a quick one! ==

~~== Standard characters~~ Not bad--you got rid of my talk post in just less than 24 hours. Not bad...my hat's off to you sir! You have a gift for ~~titles ==~~wiki-editing!{{unsigned|AmanUwellCant}}

~~Dn. Andrew, I remembered something about using standard characters for article titles~~: Inherently disruptive posts without any engagement regarding content are removed as a matter of form. ~~After poking around for a while, I found the following useful:~~ —[[~~Talk~~User:~~Daniel the Hermit]] and [[http://www2~~ASDamick|Fr.~~org~~Andrew</~~OrthodoxWiki_talk:Style_Manual#Spelling_conventions~~font>]]~~. Would you mind writing something up in the~~ [[~~OrthodoxWiki~~User_talk:~~Style Manual]] to address this? I tried a search for~~ ASDamick|talk]]~~. If we do want to have the article titles with special characters, should we have a standard-character redirect? —~~ [[~~User~~Special:~~Magda~~Contributions/ASDamick|<bfont color="black">~~magda~~contribs</bfont>]] ('''[[~~User_talk~~User:~~Magda~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|~~talk~~THINK!]]''') 10 01:0856, ~~May 26~~January 22, ~~2006~~ 2009 (~~CDT~~UTC)

== ~~Pilgrimage~~ Thank U for the work you put in ==

~~Deacon Andrew~~I am not the site owner but I am sure that if awards could be given to the most hard-woring Users on Orthodoxwiki there would be three to give out:you, Wsk and ASDamick! I wanted to pause at this point in my OrthodoxWiki career and acknowledge the efforts of those people who really do put a lot of time and effort into keeping OW alive and say Thank you for the work and time you put into making the articles rewarding!!! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:55, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

~~It looks like~~ == Antioch and the Armenians ==I~~'ll be attending the pilgrimage again~~ have been to a canonical Antiochian church where they gave communion to Armenians . How do they do this ~~year~~ ? [[User:Eugene|Eugene]] 20:25, January 23, 2009 (~~thanks be to God~~UTC)~~. I'd love to meet you.~~

~~Also~~: Is it a sin to be ethnically Armenian? Anyway, I ~~know~~ cannot answer for what is done in a particular parish. Why not talk to the ~~timing is rather late~~pastor? —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/~~couch~~ASDamick|contribs</~~bed where a pilgrim could take shelter Sunday night~~font>]] ('''[[User:~~Basil~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|~~Basil~~THINK!]] 14''') 22:2444, ~~May 27~~January 23, ~~2006~~ 2009 (~~CDT~~UTC)

~~==Bp~~As in Armenian Apostolic. ~~Orestes==~~And he said that they were in communion with them, that's why I'm asking you because you said on your page that it's not possible [[User:Eugene|Eugene]] 23:49, January 23, 2009 (UTC)

~~Thanks, Dn Andrew, for the change~~ : The Armenian Apostolic church is not in communion with the ~~title for Bp. Orestes. I was not sure~~ Orthodox Patriarchate of ~~all the potential titles for Bp. Orestes which one would be correct~~Antioch. ~~So, you came to my rescue again!~~ To change the subject, I notice some time ago that on the Calendar we have an 'Edward of England', September 3 I think, but in a search of the net, I have found only an 'Edward the Martyr' or an 'Edward the Confessor'. So, we have an anomoly. which Edward This is ~~'Edward of England'? I haven't found a third!~~ ~~Perhaps you~~ how my and~~/or Magda came clear up~~ all the ~~inconsistence. Keep up~~ bishops of our Archdiocese consistently answer when questioned on the ~~excellent work~~topic. ~~wsk [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 11:58, May 28, 2006 (CDT)~~

: Again, I cannot answer for what is done at a parish which is outside of my responsibility, especially when it is not clear that all the facts are apparent. (We have, for instance, Coptic Christians who commune at our parish, but that is because they are members of our parish, having been received into communion through confession of faith.) —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew</~~Hermes~~ font>]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 00:52, January 24, 2009 (UTC)

Should we have [[Apostle Hermes|Apostle Herm'''e'''s]] as a disambiguation page, to distinguish between [[Apostle Hermas|Apostle Herm'''a'''s]] and [[Apostle Hermes (bishop)|Apostle Herm'''e'''s (bishop)]]? Currently on the [[Apostles]] page it may be confusing. —[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 11:30, May 31, 2006 (CDT)== Technical problem ==

~~==Moving over redirs==~~I ~~actually just moved~~ am a new user and could not find the ~~article over the existing redirect, but~~ detailed information about how to bring images from Wikimedia Commons to Orthodox Wiki. I ~~selected the 'delete page first' button - perhaps that's what did it~~would be very grateful if you could help. ~~Thanks for looking out for me :). — ''~~[[User:~~Pistevo~~Bag|PιBag]]~~''[[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]]'''[[User talk:Pistevo|τ]]'''[[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]]''[[User:Pistevo|vο]]'', at 20~~21:3228, ~~May 31~~March 6, ~~2006~~ 2009 (~~CDT~~UTC)

== ~~Deletes~~ Article titles ==

~~Yeah..~~ Hi, should I put the ~~thing is~~ country name in the ~~legitimate history was~~ titles of my articles on churches (like Białystok, Poland)? They're already ~~deleted.~~ cathegorized as "Polish churches" so I ~~am thinking~~ don't think it ~~would be better to restore the initial delete anyway. Let me try that out instead. I just didn~~'~~t want that stuff in the article history..~~s necessary. {{[[User:~~FrJohn/sig}}~~Bag|Bag]] 09:06, March 9, 2009 (UTC)

~~==[[Greek Orthodox Metropolis of New Zealand]]==~~

Article was protected, I assume, because of an e-mail received by the chief secretary - perhaps you've received it? — edited by [[User:Pistevo|Pι]][[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]][[User talk:Pistevo|τ]][[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]][[User:Pistevo|vο]] at 17:38, June 6, 2006 (CDT)

:Basic summary (as far as I can make out) - take down the article because it is false, until the "Holy Archdiocese of New Zealand, Exarchate of Oceania" (sic) gives permission for a article written by someone with the Metropolitan's blessing. A takedown hasn't occured because there's no cause for such - everything on the article is a matter of public record. — edited by [[User:Pistevo|Pι]][[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]][[User talk:Pistevo|τ]][[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]][[User:Pistevo|vο]].

==~~Axios~~Chrysostom ==Hello again, I looked at the St. John Chrysostom page, and thought that the St. John Chrysostom Oratorical Festival should be included. It would show that he has inspired children to orate the word of God to others, continuing in his footsteps. Since I have participated in the past and am in it again this year, I though it would be a good idea to mention it, and maybe put a link to the [[GOARCH]] website where they talk more about it and give more information. Tell me what you think! Thanks, --[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 18:01, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

~~Thank~~ : I've responded to your comment at [[Talk:John Chrysostom]]. In the future, you~~, Dcn~~may wish to keep your comments limited only to the specific article in question. ~~Andrew~~ Posting it in multiple places is not in itself likely to gain notice. —[[User:~~Vandrona~~ASDamick|DnFr. ~~Virgil~~Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 01:36, March 19, 2009 (UTC)

==~~Priesthood~~Is WO a live forum of information or is it selective in the information it displays? ==

~~I see now how you really feel. I just joined you into~~ This post refers to your changes in the ~~diaconate and you're already making plans to leave me behind :) Congratulations! Axios! [[User:Vandrona|Dn. Virgil]]~~page;

~~==1917/1918 Council==~~St. George Free Serbian Orthodox Church (Forrest, Australian Capital Territory)

~~Dcn. Andrew.~~ I~~'m asking your opinion.I have been working~~ myself am not involved on ~~an article about~~ the 1917/1918 All Russian Local Council that is based upon recent scholarship, a Phd dissertation, that researched the Russian archives. It is a substantial article, at least seven pages. The dissertation is some 230 pages. I noticed the recent article on the same subject marked <stub>. I am torn on how to handle it as there is not much I'd use out dispute and have no intention of ~~the posted article, but I've been reluctant~~ support to ~~just overwrite it~~either side in this tragedy. ~~I could post mine with a different title or make it available for your review - on the sandbox or a direct e-mail. Or, if your think it proper I can just overwrite!~~

~~Your opinion please~~When I originally viewed this page I was disheartened to observe the lack of information and that misleading information had been posted there. I understand that this most likely had been posted by a user and as such is not subject to your personal knowledge. ~~[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 15:57, June 11, 2006 (CDT)~~

~~Thanks. Will do~~I conducted several days of investigation and research in order to update the page appropriately and even went to the extent of seeking the authorisation to post the information from the Church and organisation, which they granted. ~~[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 17:36, June 11, 2006 (CDT)~~

~~== Xenophontos image ==~~I find it offensive that you would label this work as “Heavily Point of View”.

~~Potential source for [[:Image:Xenophontos Monastery.jpg]]: [http://inathos~~I fail to understand why you would allow false and misleading information to remain posted.~~gr/athos/en/athos.asp?n=56&c=3&t=0]. Site looks~~ A young and inspired person chooses to ~~be [http://inathos.gr/athos/en/Credits.html under copyright]~~update the page using only fact and you would rather support outdated and misinformed material. ~~—[[User:Magda|magda]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 12:28, June 21, 2006 (CDT)~~

~~== On Misunderstanding ==~~The general community that observed this page in its renewed form offered significant positive feedback.

~~Dear Dcn. Andrew,Look -~~ I~~'m not misunderstanding~~ will stand corrected if you ~~deliberately!!! But I do sometimes find you shading just ever so slightly towards a disingenuous pedantry - which~~ can ~~rouse~~ show me grounds for your dismissal of my updates to ~~vexation, irony or hyperbole (depending on my mood). (That said, the only time~~ this page? I can provide you ~~ever really annoyed me that time~~ with ~~the unexplained POV tag on wikipedia.) I also have something~~ factual record and account of an antisyzygy about me which rebels against punctuation-correction. Of course, I was being more than a little rhetorical with the Scotland thing. But the underlying point is genuine. (BTW, Scotland is, technically, not part of a state - it is a stateles nation; the state is all the ~~UK.) And~~ information I ~~do appreciate~~ had posted on that page and request that it ~~when you pull back something I've said carelessly or with an air of flippancy on POV grounds~~be allowed to remain.

~~The thing~~ If persons should see fit to add to that does worry me - and what got me into all this wiki stuff - is the Sourozh business. The pro-Basil people are going around blatantly misrepresenting the situation, pretending its an indigenous V Russifying clash, a poor local bishop V evil Patriarchate, etc. Which, in fact, is just not true. There are far more shades of grey. Nowinformation, I'm sure that certain of the Russians are doing exactly the same thing on Russian sites - but I don't read Russian. All I can see is what is wrong with the stuff I do read. But what is being hidden is (a) the 'ambiguities' about the canonical aspects; and (b) the snobbish exclusivity of the 'English' Basil/Oxford-group that is a LARGE factor in the history of the problems. And, of course, this schism is doing and going implore them to do a huge amount of damage to the Church in Britain. E.g. probably now we're going to have a Bishop and possibly several priests defrocked by Moscow, whilst serving for Constantinople. This is going to be very painful, and will split the faithful. But, all I see from the Basil-group is a hero-mentality ('we are the saviours of British orthodoxy'), propaganda, gloating - web-pages with titles like 'Sourozh destroyed' - and question-begging 'justifications' of why they are totally spotless and right, etc. etc. And then they spread this misinformation, and it becomes the received truth, and then appears on sites like wikipedia, etc. And they call this Orthodoxy! That's what gets my wickso.

~~Anyway,~~ Otherwise I believe that ~~tells~~ the page should be removed as it displays false and misleading information and if you ~~a bit about where~~ should require I~~'m coming~~ can have this formally requested from~~. We share lots of interests in common,~~ the community and ~~so I'm sure we'd have lots~~ association which this information refers to ~~talk about, and if I keep editing things, then I'm sure we'll keep on bumping into each other! And if I'm bombastic, I'm most likely not entirely serious...,Regards,[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 01:44, June 29, 2006 (CDT)~~?

~~== Various ==Dear Dcn. Andrew,Thanks for~~ I can understand your ~~comments. It is a difficult situation re Sourozh/Exarchate. In fact, I'm not as opposed to Bishop Basil's actions as it probably seems from the edits. For what it's worth, part~~ removal of ~~me has a great sympathy for~~ the ~~situation of~~ Postal address and agree fairly to the ~~English wing~~ emission of ~~Sourozh~~such information. ~~And certainly~~ All I ~~am deeply unsure of medium-term DECR politics (DECR, after all, was set up by the Communists~~ ask is be fair in relation to ~~eliminate~~ the ~~Russian Churches outside Soviet territory). No part~~ content of ~~me supports any Russification of Sourozh, etc.~~the post?

I ~~have already expressed my worries about the effects of Bishop Basil's actions upon UK Orthodoxy,~~ am willing to build and ~~I wonder whether it is really worth~~ develop the pain and division it is causing and will cause. This said, my real problem with the Oxford-London wing is the deep ambiguities that surround Basil's actions and the attitudes of his followers. To take one example - which I've never tried to put on an encyclopedia article - I once asked Bp Basil why he could not provide Sourozh priests for the Russian Orthodox in the major cities in Scotland. His answer was that the diocese has no money/people to do this. In fact, one of the things page if you can suggest some points that has emerged from this controversy (indeed, from Basil's own first letter to Patriarch Alexei) is that this is not true - he DID have money & people, but these were only available on condition that the priests/churches would ~~follow~~ make the ~~standard Russian typikon. Now my problem is this: there are hundreds~~ information less “Point of ~~people who cut off from the Russian Church because preserving the 'Sourozh ethos' is more important than meeting the spiritual needs of these Russian Orthodox Christians. And why is this so important~~View”? Because the interests of the Oxford-London group must take priority. It's like saying: you have can't have communion, because we don't want to wear headscarves. It's like saying: only we matter, and if you don't fit into what we want, then we'll just pretend you don't exist. Of course, no-one in Sourozh will say that to the face of these Orthodox Christians; they will just avoid them and pretend they are not there. When Bp Hilarion came to the Diocese of Sourozh in 2002, one of the first things he found was that there was a parish (outside the Oxford-London corridor) which had not had an episcopal visit for EIGHT years. Imagine that! When there are three bishops and less than 30 parishes and communities combined! (Needless to say, that parish was not Oxford...)

A great deal of this tension within Sourozh diocese has arisen from these issues. And of course, the Oxford-Sourozh group (who, after all, write most of the English-language internet material on the subject) want to pretend that these issues don't exist. But they do, and they have a great deal to do with socio-cultural and ecclesial attitudes which are common within the English part of the Diocese of Sourozh.Young Serb

~~And these matters don't just affect Russian Orthodox. They are also some of~~ :[[User:Young_Serb|Young Serb]], I suspect that the ~~main reasons why so many~~ conclusion of the ~~English converts who don~~original article (which was '~~t come from the~~ '~~right~~very'' ~~social background~~ POV) may have ~~ended up becoming Antiochean~~taken from the facts that were in play. ~~If you ever speak~~ In response to ~~these Antiocheans~~[[User:ASDamick|Fr Andrew]]'s request, I have taken the ~~story is always~~ liberty of bringing the ~~same~~two together.: ~~at first they looked~~ Please consider that, as a parish, the subject matter was dubiously noteworthy enough to ~~Sourozh~~place on OrthodoxWiki; ~~but their face didn~~as a parish that has now placed itself outside the Church, more so. This doesn't ~~fit~~excuse incorrect information, of course; ~~Sourozh didn't want to know; after despairing~~ but if you consider that details are sparse, this may have been done for a ~~while~~reason - this is, ~~they found their home~~ conceptually, an encyclopaedia, and is therefore rather lacking in ~~Antioch. The most clear divide between English converts~~ emotive speech and in ~~the Antiocheans and Sourozh have been their social class and their geographical origin~~minutiae. ~~And~~ However, ~~although it's not something~~ should you ~~can ever put in an encyclopedia~~ find the articleto still be misleading, you just need to hear the jokes that the upper middle-class English converts tell about the Antiocheans to become fully aware that their issues with the Antiocheans are mainly to do with social backgroundplease correct it.— by [[User:Pistevo|Pιsτévο]] ''[[User talk:Pistevo|talk]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|complaints]]'' at 13:37, April 24, 2009 (UTC)

Now, my problem then when it comes to encyclopedia articles is that (a) material which ignores these issues, and which presents the matter as if it were just an ethnic divide, or a plot by the 'evil Russian DECR' is unacceptably skewed; but that (b) full-scale academic research on the history of UK Orthodoxy has not yet been undertaken, which means that one must either undertake fresh research oneself (which is not then suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia article), or one must footnote informal sources which present opinions (e.g. Andrew Phillips' site).

~~RE my edits~~== Azarias? ==Χριστος ανεστη! This has nothing to do with Orthodox Wikipedia, ~~you're certainly right that sometimes~~ but when I ~~let~~ read the ~~possibilities of hyperbole get the better of me. Partly its because writing something here is a slapdash quickfire affair - far more like public speaking than scholarship - and sometimes~~ 3 youths passage on Holy Saturday, I ~~just stick something up without perhaps toning it correctly. This, of course, is why it is so good~~ noticed that ~~there~~ Azarias is ~~a community~~ not one of ~~people all correcting each other, &c~~the original three youths. ~~E.g. What was very good for me was your major edit on the stuff I~~there'~~d written on Sourozh on wikipedia. That showed me how someone else reads what I wrote~~s Meeshak, Shadrack, ~~etc~~and Abendago. ~~and actually helped me express myself better on~~ Those three are describes throughout the ~~matter (not just in wikipedia~~whole reading, but ~~generally). It should be clear~~ then it says that ~~I don't have a problem being corrected, and am perfectly happy to hold my hand up when I'm mistaken~~Azarias said something. ~~(But the other side of that~~ Who is ~~that I'm not so wary to express myself hyperbolically~~ Azarias? Thanks, -- ~~but that's perhaps a celtic thing...~~[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 17:29, April 24, 2009 (UTC) ~~Also, I haven't said anything I don't firmly believe to be true.~~

~~RE Bishop Basil's comments on~~ : Shadrac, Meshach, and Abednago are the ~~suspension~~ Babylonian names of ~~Fr Andrei~~the Hebrew Hananiah (Ananias), ~~I'm actually not aware of anything in print regarding his personal motivations for the suspension of Fr Andrei~~Azariah (Azarias) and Mishael (Misael). ~~If you know of something, by all means, put it up - please! The one thing I would add though is that his motivations are a subject of controversy~~ —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, ~~particularly in the latter years of Metropolitan Anthony~~Garamond, ~~was arbitrary and despotic~~Georgia, ~~and which refused to make clear its motivations for action~~ Times New Roman">(~~Cf. Gill Crow~~'~~s book for explicit recognition of this~~''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]'''). 23:14, April 25, 2009 (UTC) ~~Proof is needed to avoid POV issues.~~

~~Above all, my concern is that what is true be put up and made public. Unfortunately, this in-and-of-itself brings me into conflict with certain strands within~~ == With the ~~Oxford faction who, history will show, prefer that as much as possible be hidden behind closed doors.~~feast! ==

~~Lastly~~Today already Pentecost is, ~~I've enjoyed working/sparring with~~ but at you ~~over~~ on the ~~last wee while. Certainly for me it is constructive to interact~~ Main page still congratulations with an American who clearly thinks in a very different way from me. It interests me how we do misunderstand each other regularly. It's not so much language that divides us as differing forms of thinking. And of course, it's not disagreeing or misunderstanding that are the problems, so much as being able to resolve and work through disagreements and misunderstandingsAscention.

Oh==Proposed New Page?==Greetings Father. :) I wanted to ask your opinion about a new page I was thinking of adding. While researching some old books and resources for some of my articles, I found a number of puzzling abbreviations besides authors names, who were mostly Roman Catholic authors or scholars or from religious orders. Anyways, I found this list here: [http://www.fisheaters.com/religiousorderabbreviations.html Abbreviations of Religious Orders and Priestly Fraternitiies], and ~~BTW~~was thinking it would be a good reference page to add here, ~~I rather like T~~cataloged in a Roman catholic category perhaps.SJust an idea, this info would help eliminate guesswork when going over historical documents. ~~Eliot as well!~~Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 23:59, July 8, 2009 (UTC)

~~Best wishes,[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:56, June 29, 2006 (CDT)~~== Request for speedy deletion ==

Delete please this error redirect [http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD&redirect=~~Slapdash==Possibly 'slapdash' wasn't the best word~~no] as recently created redirect page resulting from a typographical error. ~~What I mean is that one is in a different frame of mind~~ - ~~and in my case, a freer one~~ - ~~when one is writing knowing that what one writes may be modified/removed at any point by someone else. But I take your point.As ever,~~[[User:~~Maxim~~Imerek|~~Maxim~~Imerek]] 1822:1904, ~~June 29~~March 12, ~~2006~~ 2010 (~~CDT~~UTC)

==~~Feature 7 Jul 06~~What is Orthodoxwiki?==Thanks for fixing the article - it's something that I seem to do every time... — edited by [[User:Pistevo|Pι]][[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]][[User talk:Pistevo|τ]][[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]][[User:Pistevo|vο]] at 18:17, July 7, 2006 (CDT)

~~==An article on Scientology?==~~I ~~know,~~ noticed you deleted (rather speedily) the Luther page I ~~know~~imported. ~~You might be asking, "has it really come to this?"~~ I ~~was~~ 'm wondering if ~~I could write an article on Scientology for~~ Orthodoxwiki~~'s Non-Orthodox section. My intent~~ is "Articles on topics directly pertaining to ~~expose the~~ Orthodoxy"~~church~~or " as not the theraputic self-help organization it portrays itself to be. However, there is a problem. There is some copyright snafu that I've heard they invoke when mentioning anything about Xenu, the bombs in the volcanoes, and the Operating Thetan III course. Obviously, I won't go into much detail (I'd have to write a book Articles giving Orthodox views on ~~it)~~all topics. ~~What do think? Advice? Suggestions?[[User:Mike~~" {{unsigned|~~Mike]] 11:07, July 14, 2006 (CDT)~~CircularReason}}

: See: [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual#Types_of_Articles]]. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr.~~..sorry~~Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('m an idiot. I was looking at what the vandals had done to the wiki in the past day and managed to accidentally press the revert button on the Rublev Trinity image...after which I scrambled frantically to try to reverse my mistake, which I'~~m also apparently too incompetent to have done correctly. Sorry about that. I~~'~~m sure you can fix it pronto.~~ [[User:~~Gabriela~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|~~Gabriela~~THINK!]] 22''') 19:4144, ~~July 31~~June 19, ~~2006~~ 2010 (~~CDT~~UTC)

Ok==New Template==Hello Fr Andrew, the weird thing was that after reverting to the vandal image, I tried that (reverting to your previous revert). The problem was that it kept showing up on my screen as the vandalized version. I even left the page and came back (though only a few seconds later) to see if I needed to refresh it. But no matter what I hit, I got the bad image. Hence the mad scramble in which I pressed different revert links about twenty times to make sure I just hadn't picked the wrong one. I was confused, lol. At least now it all looks hunky-dory. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 22warm greetings :~~36, August 2, 2006 (CDT~~)

~~== Baby ==~~I had an idea to create a new template for [[User_talk:Angellight_888#New_Template|Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church history]], where the various ''shared or related'' historical themes, subjects and articles of both churches could be grouped together neatly in one pathfinder / template. I have come to realize that it is quite a daunting task, and I was hoping I could ask for your opinion on what I have worked out so far (see this [[User_talk:Angellight_888#New_Template|link]], on my talk-page). Many of the words or headings I have titled may need to be changed, and the focus tightened... I have used the word "history" rather than "relations" in the title, because it seems more appropriate and allows for the inclusion of links to relevant articles. I thought it would go nicely at the bottom of the [[Timeline of Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic relations]] article; including such templates as you know is a successful pattern over at Wikipedia, and this particular timeline is one place on OW where I think it would be useful, and allow for the elimination of "see also" links, and some "external links" at the same time. Whenever you may have time for a look it would be much appreciated, and feel free to go ahead and edit/change/correct/remove or add if you want to; I saved it on my talk page so I can work on it there until it is ready if we decide to keep it. Cheers and thanks, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:25, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

~~Congratulations~~ ==Delete my account==This wiki isn't for me, it does not and cannot build from any other source, unless it falls explicitly within the orthodox source material specifically. I just want to ~~you both! We are expecting our little baby girl~~ create articles based on Biblical topics and elaborate on them based on scholarship in ~~mid~~all areas, not just Orthodoxy. Perhaps Theopedia would suit me better.--~~October 2006. We might have to swap tips!~~ [[User:~~Joe Rodgers~~Tsommer|~~{{User:Joe Rodgers/sig}}~~Tony]] 2318:4859, ~~August 5~~May 30, ~~2006~~ 2011 (~~CDT~~UTC)

: Done. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 23:54, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

~~Dear ASDamick,~~==Hello!==

~~Thank~~ After seeing that you ~~for your recent changes to~~ addressed the ~~article on [[Basil (Osborne) of Amphipolis]].~~ medication spam pages I~~'m glad to see us working on this text together.~~ reported, I ~~would like to see it accurately~~ followed the link and ~~dispassionately reflect~~ saw with pleasure that you are the ~~full state of affairs surrounding this bishop~~same Fr. Andrew I ~~think that most of your revisions to my recent update of the text have been very helpful - again, my many thanks for them~~'ve run into elsewhere.

~~A few points that I think still need some further consideration:~~Cheers!

* ''TitleA pleasure,[[User:~~'' The title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' is contested~~JonathansCornerCom|JonathansCornerCom]] 22:51, ~~and highly controversial. It doesn't seem appropriate for the OrthodoxWiki article on the bishop to take a definitive side one way or the other on this matter. I had altered the text to address this~~August 17, ~~which you refined nicely. However, I do think it appopriate that the issue is left relatively open, by simply referring to him as 'Bishop Basil' in most cases~~ 2011 (~~e.g. in the caption under the photograph~~UTC). The title of the article gives him the title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' already, which points things in a certain reading; but I think we need to be wary of giving 'our own blessing' to a matter that is disputed amongst the patriarchates.

* ==Directory==Hi Fr Andrew, I'm looking for responses for my proposal (to delete the parish directory pages for Australia) on http://orthodoxwiki.org/OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles - your thoughts? — by [[User:Pistevo|Pιsτévο]] '~~Nature of the bishop~~'~~s retirement~~[[User talk:Pistevo|talk]]'' I'~~ve corrected the paragraph on the nature of the bishop~~'~~s forced retirement. This was not made because he sought reception in the EP~~[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|complaints]]'' at 19:16, ~~but because he sought to do so preemptorily~~January 31, ~~without canonical release and order.~~2013 (HST)

* ''Title in summary box:'' In line with my point above on the bishop's title, I think it is only fair / accurate to return the small footnote qualifier on the title in the summary box at the bottom. Not to do so seems to claim, in the article, that the matter is disputed and open, only to go on in the summary information to present it as a closed/decided issue. I think in fairness to the actual situation, this small flag is warranted and not in itself a bias (cf. for example the summary boxes on autocephalous churches on Wikipedia, where a small asterisk is used next to churches whose autocephaly is disputed by some).== Question ==

~~I've made edits~~ Can you please tell me how you managed to ~~the article~~ built this ~~morning to account for the above points; I hope they're in general things you approve of~~ wonderful wiki? [[User:Receptie123|Receptie123]] 19:55, July 18, 2013 (~~I've made them as separate edits, so you can see the progression~~HST).

--: It wasn't me! :) —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:~~Antonios aigyptos~~ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|~~Antonios~~THINK!]] 07''') 03:0850, August 6, ~~2006~~ 2013 (~~CDT~~HST)

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