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==Standard WelcomeOrthodoxSource==Methinks In case you haven't been over to [[osource:Main page|OrthodoxSource]] lately, we can now login there with our OW logins. A category structure needs to be worked on, as well as some basic documents to get things up and running well there, based primarily on existing category structures here on OrthodoxWiki. Obviously, not everything will map the same, but we don't want to reinvent the wheel any more than need be. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:51, June 19, 2008 (UTC)  ==Category Sitemap==In case anyone's interested in the category structure, I put up a useful practice for us [[User:Magda/Category Sitemap|sitemap]] of the categories on the English-language wiki. I find it exceedingly helpful, when trying to interwiki between languages, to begin have a common category structure. I think some of what we currently have could be improved (like the Orthodoxy by country, which includes "Western Europe" and "Asia" as well as countries in those regions). I would be to rather provoke discussion (this means you, Fr. Andrew) on the topic before making any sudden moves. And, no, I have no idea ''why'' I went through the whole thing, but there are a standard whole lot of categories. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:16, June 4, 2008 (UTC) ==New disciplinary policy==All sysops should read and familiarize themselves with the new official [[OrthodoxWiki:Disciplinary policy|disciplinary policy]] as approved by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] on May 29, 2008. Comments and adjustments are of course welcome . Relevant templates for enforcement: [[Template:Warning]], [[Template:Warning2]] and [[Template:Banned]]. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 20:43, May 29, 2008 (UTC)  ==Eliminating directory articles==I'm of the opinion that gets added we ought to every new usereliminate all the directory articles. Here's Talk page my rationale: *The function is fulfilled far better by sites like [http://www.orthodoxyinamerica.org OrthodoxyInAmerica.org] and other regional and jurisdictional sites.*Keeping them up to date and fully accurate is almost impossible.*Keeping them representative of Mainstream Chalcedonian Orthodoxy ''only'' is a continual problem.*They're somewhat irrelevant to the role of OrthodoxWiki as soon as a sysop notices his registrationan encyclopedia.  What do you think? Included could &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 08:16, August 28, 2007 (PDT):I agree. Keeping the listings up-to-date will continue to be links to a large workload especially with the addition of personal information such as the Community Portalresident priest, that can change frequently. Having discovered the Style ManualOrthodoxyinAmerica site really makes keeping a directory in Orthodoxwiki redundant. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 18:45, help pagesAugust 28, etc2007 (PDT) : Just adding another comment to "bump" this again to attention. This is what Let's axe the one directory articles! It's too much work to keep them going, and there's no way we'll ever be as accurate or useful as existing sites. I'd like it if other admins would comment on Wikipedia this. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 11:40, March 20, 2008 (PDT) :: Judging by the ''accessed count'' at the bottom of those pages, it looks like: they are being used, do you find much out of date info on them? - [[Wikipedia:TemplateUser:WelcomeAndrew|Andrew]]12:39, March 20, 2008 (PDT)

Perhaps :::I may very well be a large contributor to the best way ''accessed count''. Fr. Andrew, thanks for us to do the "bump," as I don't believe I'd seen this would thread before, which raises excellent points. My only preference for having a directory on OrthodoxWiki is that I can *fix* things when they're wrong, like broken links. That desire can easily be focused on submitting corrections to the jurisdictional sites and/or orthodoxyinamerica.org. Also, I'm not sure what happened to the ROCOR directory. That being said, I have a template with begun coming across regional organizations (included in the welcome in it "external links" sections) which are not necessarily pan-Orthodox; would there be an appropriate place to include those links? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[TemplateUser_talk:WelcomeMagda|talk]]) 14:46, perhapsMarch 20, which is what Wikipedia does, too2008 (PDT), so that we could just post '''<nowiki>{{welcome}} --~~~~</nowiki>''' in the new user's Talk page and not have to update each Talk page every time we want to include something new in the welcome message&mdash;we could just update the template.

Thoughts? ::::Where other ''active'' sites exist that already have the information that we have (i.e. name, basic location, link to website), then it would be unnecessary to duplicate this; perhaps a link to that website would suffice. --That said, I know that in my antipodean (well...) part of the world, we don't have anything of the sort, so I would be very much against this for the Australasian articles. &mdash; by [[User:ASDamickPistevo|Rdr. Andrew<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] ^{''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]] 12''} at 17:3304, March 20, 2 Feb 2005 2008 (CSTPDT)

:::: Pistevo, y'all gotta get on the ball down there! :) Seriously, though, I have no problem with OrthodoxWiki hosting something until such time as an external site might be created. I'd even be willing to host it in my own webspace if someone else would be willing to maintain the file and send it to me for FTPing. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color=Empty Articles"green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color=Something which concerns me about the creation of multiple empty articles without even a basic definition first-line and a "red">talk<nowiki/font>{{stub}}]]</nowikisup> <small> tag is that visitors to the site can get the impression that there's a lot of nothing here. I know folks who like to come here and hit the [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black"random>contribs</font>]] <font face=" link successivelyAdobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, and with lots of empty articlesGeorgia, there will come to be a preponderance of disappointment. This also will skew our results as they appear in search engines. Perhaps we should leave inTimes New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-development articles simply as links in existing articles philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 04:39, April 1, 2008 (or places like talk pagesPDT) until there's at least a little something to put on them?

::If no one voices an objection, I see your point & it's convincing. I'll plan m going to populate (most of) them with some content shortly. OTOH my idea was to give start deleting the Parish Directory articles for the US within a framework day or two, for growth -- some folks might be willing to contribute, but shy to start new topicsthe reasons noted above. OTOOH (yes, there's 3) - I think also have TOP SECRET information that's just the way I "paint a fence" not linearlySOMEONE is working on an external directory for Australia.) So, but sketching out large sections and then going back to fill in bit by bit. It's probably a learning disorderspeak now, butor forever hold your keys... :-)or something. - &mdash;[[User:FrJohnASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. JohnAndrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 10:43, April 2, 2008 (PDT)

::: Just so you know, Hmm... I certainly didnagree that strictly this isn't intend it as a direct criticism of you, Father, but just wanted to say something on the "ground floor" of a possible trendin line with OWiki's mission... BUT I definitely also see your Magda's point about presenting an invitational framework. Perhaps when otherwise empty articles that these are createdboth pan-Orthodox and easily updatable, unlike any other directory I'm aware of , and I note that these have been popular "articles" over the years. Maybe we could at least include a brief descriptive statement and can wait a little bit on this? I dunno. — [[User:FrJohn|<nowikib>{{stub}}FrJohn</nowikib> tag? Otherwise, it may not be clear to a visitor that the article is an invitation but rather possibly some kind of error, --[]] ([Userhttp:ASDamick|Rdr//www.orthodoxwiki. Andrew]org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk] 11) 18:5420, April 2, 31 Jan 2005 2008 (CSTPDT)

:Having waited a couple months without any major objections being raised, I'm beginning deletion. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''Addendum[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''' One other related thing that occurs to me is that I think we'll mainly find our growth in terms of folks who come here as a result of Googling and the like. That is)</font></small> 14:00, June 14, folks who have found OrthodoxWiki as a useful resource are more likely to want to contribute rather than those being solicited 2008 (not that we should stop solicitation, which I do all the timeUTC). That's why I'm firmly of the belief that we should hammer the site with as much good content as we can, thus potentially creating a domino effect.

::Reminder:The point of that comment is just that I'm optimistic about With the future deletion of the projecteach parish listing article, especially as we have more and more good stuff. Our critical mass lately seems will need to have been that we now have 3 or 4 folks consistently adding contentdelete the title of the removed articles from the Churches Category pages. (Something like how a monastery works.) AnyhowCurrently, I just wanted to add this and say thank you the titles for spearheading the project. I think it's a fantastic idea, and I'm really glad deleted articles still appear in the Churches Categories but which lead to be part of it. --blank pages![[User:ASDamickWsk|Rdr. AndrewWsk]] 1218:0409, June 14, 31 Jan 2005 2008 (CSTUTC)

::: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you link to what you're referring to? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman"> Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''I certainly didn[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]'t intend it as a direct criticism of you'')</font></small> 18:56, June 14, 2008 (UTC)

This brings up a good point. I think we all need to take each other's good will for granted,to presume ::Click on it to a certain degree. I mean, it's easy to hear typed words in too harsh a tone, take shorthand the wrong way, or otherwise read into whatCategory 's written or done (and MediaWiki doesnChurches't offer proper emoticons!) Let's all assume we love each other :-). I mean, we're working free of charge in this common cause because we believe its going to have some valueon the main page. Hopefully this won't be a temple to our egos! We do have to know how to give and receive criticism (gently / humbly), and also know that part of All the mission of this place (as I see it) is to foster a healthy disputation of ideas -- challenging both sides (elists are still listed on Category [[Churches]] page.g. with the hot button topic of ecumenism or whatever) to do their homework and argue their position as thoroughly as possible -- and providing a forum for both[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:21, while calling all to a basic accountability and charity. Perhaps we won't be able to stop flame wars or personal offenses entirelyJune 14, but I think we can give it a good shot. 2008 (...and practice Biblical principles for approaching those who we have a problem with - maybe we should write this up in the community guidelines! :-UTC). I'm going on too long...

Thanks for your ''thank you'' and back atchya. Of course:::There are lists of other parish directories in [[:Category:Churches]], this was conceived as a group project from but not the beginningUSA directories, and it is now viable exactly because people like you (and our dedicated others) have caught the vision and have lent a helping hand so freelythat I see. Ihaven'm excited about its potential, too -- I see how a resource like this could be very helpful even just t come across any category page which gives links to me personallyarticles which no longer exist. Try refreshing the page or clearing your browser cache, and I'm excited about the collaborative dimensionperhaps.—[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 20:29, June 14, 2008 (UTC

:: Thanks. I think you're right about the Googling and usability..notice that it is all cleared, now. Earlier when I noted a list was deleted and I clicked on the Category 'Churches', I still could get the domino effectlisted page, which is already working! but with a note that none existed as if one were starting a new page. I appreciate your zeal may have just caught the deletion process in recruiting articles from knowledgable folks - I've been doing a lot of this (with a lot of vague promises midstream'. Sorry for sometime down the road my 'alarm'. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:-40, June 14, 2008 (UTC). I see things snowballing already!