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==Wikimedia CommonsOrthodoxSource==I just ran across In case you haven't been over to [[osource:Main page|OrthodoxSource]] lately, we can now login there with our OW logins. A category structure needs to be worked on, as well as some basic documents to get things up and running well there, based primarily on existing category structures here on OrthodoxWiki. Obviously, not everything will map the same, but we don't want to reinvent the storehouse of wheel any more than need be. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[httpSpecial:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/commons.wikimedia.orgWiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</wikifont></small> 02:51, June 19, 2008 (UTC) ==CategorySitemap==In case anyone's interested in the category structure, I put up a [[User:Orthodox_Church images and other files related Magda/Category Sitemap|sitemap]] of the categories on the English-language wiki. I find it exceedingly helpful, when trying to interwiki between languages, to have a common category structure. I think some of what we currently have could be improved (like the Orthodoxy] by country, which includes "Western Europe" and "Asia" as well as countries in those regions). I would rather provoke discussion (this means you, Fr. Andrew) on the topic before making any sudden moves. And, no, I have no idea ''why'' I went through the whole thing, but there are a whole lot of categories. —[[httpUser:Magda|<b>magda<//commonsb>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:16, June 4, 2008 (UTC) ==New disciplinary policy==All sysops should read and familiarize themselves with the new official [[OrthodoxWiki:Disciplinary policy|disciplinary policy]] as approved by [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] on May 29, 2008. Comments and adjustments are of course welcome. Relevant templates for enforcement: [[Template:Warning]], [[Template:Warning2]] and [[Template:Banned]]. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.wikimedia5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr.org Wikimedia CommonsAndrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 20:43, May 29, 2008 (UTC) ==Eliminating directory articles==I'm of the opinion that we ought to eliminate all the directory articles. Here's my rationale:
How do you think we can integrate these or best draw attention *The function is fulfilled far better by sites like [http://www.orthodoxyinamerica.org OrthodoxyInAmerica.org] and other regional and jurisdictional sites.*Keeping them up to these as date and fully accurate is almost impossible.*Keeping them representative of Mainstream Chalcedonian Orthodoxy ''only'' is a source for articles? I think, continual problem.*They're somewhat irrelevant to the role of OrthodoxWiki as a rule, we should prefer images with open licenses to those from our other benefactorsan encyclopedia.
What do you think? —[[User:FrJohnASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. JohnAndrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 08:16, August 28, 2007 (PDT):I agree. Keeping the listings up-to-date will continue to be a large workload especially with the addition of personal information such as the resident priest, that can change frequently. Having discovered the OrthodoxyinAmerica site really makes keeping a directory in Orthodoxwiki redundant. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]]18:45, August 28, 2007 (PDT)
: Just adding another comment to "bump" this again to attention. Let's axe the directory articles! It's too much work to keep them going, and there's no way we'll ever be as accurate or useful as existing sites. I'd like it if other admins would comment on this. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color=Year-end inventory"red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face=Please see "Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[OrthodoxWikiUser:InventoryASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]. Thanks.''')</font></small> 11:40, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
==New Features==As of Nov. 21, 2005 I:: Judging by the ''accessed count''ve enabled the option to show at the # bottom of users watching each page. (Check down belowthose pages, it looks like they are being used, near the metadata stuff.) I've also added a feature that allows bureaucrats (i.e. me) to rename users without hacking through the database directly. This should help with the occasional request for account renaming. do you find much out of date info on them? - [[User:FrJohnAndrew|Fr. JohnAndrew]]12:39, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
:Nov 28 update ::I may very well be a large contributor to the ''accessed count''. Fr. Andrew, thanks for the "bump," as I don't believe I'd seen this thread before, which raises excellent points. My only preference for having a directory on OrthodoxWiki is that I can *fix* things when they're wrong, like broken links. That desire can easily be focused on submitting corrections to the jurisdictional sites and/or orthodoxyinamerica.org. Also, I'm not sure what happened to the ROCOR directory. That being said, I have begun coming across regional organizations (included in the "external links" sections) which are not necessarily pan- Added Orthodox; would there be an appropriate place to include those links? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[SpecialUser_talk:EditcountMagda|talk]]) 14:46, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
==Awards::::Where other ''active'' sites exist that already have the information that we have (i.e. name, basic location, link to website), then it would be unnecessary to duplicate this; perhaps a link to that website would suffice. That said, I know that in my antipodean (well...) part of the world, we don't have anything of the sort, Recognizing civic virtue on so I would be very much against this for the wikiAustralasian articles. — by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color=I"gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' 've been admiring Wikipedia's use of [[wUser talk:WikipediaBarnstarsPistevo/dev/null|barnstars<font color="red">complaints</font>]] to award people who contribute their time and talent to the wiki. We should keep this in mind as we continue to grow''</sup> at 17:04, March 20, and figure out how to adopt something like this for our local practice.2008 (PDT)
A few links of interest here:* ::: Magda, a [[w:Wikipedia:BarnstarsList of parish directories]]* http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?BarnStar - pre-dating Wikipedia* http://wwwarticle might do the trick, consisting mainly of a series of external links.thebarnjournal.org/stories/story018/index2.html - Images, some ideas for alternative barnstars
Don:::: Pistevo, y't forget all gotta get on the mention of barnraising on ball down there! :) Seriously, though, I have no problem with OrthodoxWiki hosting something until such time as an external site might be created. I'd even be willing to host it in my own webspace if someone else would be willing to maintain the file and send it to me for FTPing. —[[OrthodoxWikiUser:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:Community PortalASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]].''')</font></small> 04:39, April 1, 2008 (PDT)
==Talk page archives==
What do y'all think about what to do when an article's Talk page becomes unwieldy? My own opinion is that we should follow Wikipedia's lead on this and create archival subpages (see [[User Talk:ASDamick|my Talk page]] or [[Wikipedia:Talk:Pope_Benedict_XVI|this Wikipedia page]] for an example), though [[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe Rodgers]] prefers that we instead erase Talk pages whose issues have been dealt with, that the history of the Talk page should serve as an archive.
The reason If no one voices an objection, I'd like m going to see them archived instead of erased is start deleting the Parish Directory articles for the US within a day or two, for the reasons noted above. (I also have TOP SECRET information that it SOMEONE is useful to see what relevant discussion has occurred regarding working on an articleexternal directory for Australia.) So, which would be extremely tedious to try to track by attempting to sort through the changes in the historyspeak now, or forever hold your keys... or something. Additionally—[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, having the archives available makes it possible for precedents in our work to be searched for and made use ofGaramond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr.Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 10:43, April 2, 2008 (PDT)
What do you thinkHmm... I agree that strictly this isn't in line with OWiki's mission... BUT I also see Magda's point that these are both pan-Orthodox and easily updatable, unlike any other directory I'm aware of , and I note that these have been popular "articles" over the years. Maybe we can wait a little bit on this? —I dunno. — [[User:ASDamickFrJohn|{{User<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http:ASDamick/sig}}]/www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk] 19) 18:0920, April 2, 28 Jun 2005 2008 (EDTPDT)
:I'm the sort of person who keeps everythingHaving waited a couple months without any major objections being raised, so I'm voting archival before erasurebeginning deletion. What are the marks of a —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk page which needs to be archived? One person might have a different sense of </font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="how full is too fullAdobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman" than another. —>('''[[User:MagdaASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|magdaTHINK!]] 20''')</font></small> 14:2300, June 14, 28 Jun 2005 2008 (EDTUTC)
:I agree, FWIW: Reminder: With the deletion of each parish listing article, that a record would be good we will need to keepdelete the title of the removed articles from the Churches Category pages. I vote Currently, the titles for archiving over erasing. —{{the deleted articles still appear in the Churches Categories but which lead to blank pages![[User:Dcndavid/sig}} 17Wsk|Wsk]] 18:0009, June 14, 5 Jul 2005 2008 (EDTUTC)
==Blank articles==::: I've been searching about for blank articles and turning them into links in existing articles, basically just to keep things tidierm not sure I understand what you mean. It seems Could you link to me that having articles with no content at all (not even an external link) ends up skewing our results in Google and can be frustrating what you're referring to a user who clicks on a supposedly filled link and finds nothing at all? —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. IAndrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''m of the opinion that the best way to keep outlines of potential growth areas is to keep them as links until there's actual content to offer. )</font></small> 18:56, June 14, 2008 (UTC)
I can of course go and undelete ::Click on the articles ICategory 've deleted if thereChurches's a consensus that we should have these blank articles, but it seems to me that a link serves just as well as a placeholder and eliminates on the problems I mention abovemain page. All the lists are still listed on Category [[Churches]] page. --[[User:ASDamickWsk|Rdr. AndrewWsk]] 0820:2621, June 14 Apr 2005 , 2008 (CDTUTC)
::Most :There are lists of these are my fault - sorry! other parish directories in [[:Category:Churches]], but not the USA directories, that I see. I think what youhaven're saying makes sense! t come across any category page which gives links to articles which no longer exist. Try refreshing the page or clearing your browser cache, perhaps. —[[User:FrJohnMagda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|Fr. Johntalk]]) 20:29, June 14, 2008 (UTC
==Appointing Sysops==:: Thanks. I notice that it is all cleared, now. Earlier when I just wanted to share some thoughts about how noted a list was deleted and Iclicked on the Category 'Churches've gone about appointing sysops. Basically, I'm looking for still could get the listed page, but with a few things: *Some degree of sanity as well note that none existed as if one were starting a healthy dose of balance and humility in content submitted and dealings with other people onlinenew page.*A demonstrated commitment to OrthodoxWiki and a desire (or at least a willingness) to take on some of I may have just caught the administrative burden for keeping this site deletion process in good order'midstream'. This generally means a good record of broad interest in the wikiSorry for my 'alarm'.*Finally[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:40, some ecclesiastical standing June 14, 2008 (as a cleric, seminarian, presbytera, recognized Orthodox personality, etc.UTC) is desirable but not required. This is so because it is helpful to have those who are, in one way or another, "authorities" in the Church moderating things, and, of course, public recognition helps establish the credibility and status of OrthodoxWiki.
''"If anyone aspires to the office of sysop, he desires a noble task"'' (cf.1 Tim 3:1) - If I've overlooked you or if you have someone to nominate for sysop duties please leave a note on my [[User_talk:FrJohn|user talk]] page. Of course, I reserve all rights in terms of appointments and terminations.
So farFellow sysops, I've been pretty liberal in knighting sysops -- at this point we can use all m proposing adding the help we can get, and it seems to me parish directories of Australia to be a good thing to empower a robust band of trustworthy members to help manage the sitedeleted, because these are currently available on http://orthodoxyinaustralia.com/ (providing more information in any event). The situation is worse with these articles as they generally don't get updated. Good idea? -- — by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[Usertalk:FrJohnPistevo/dev/null|Fr. John<font color="red">complaints</font>]] 21''</sup> at 02:58, 27 Feb 2005 January 21, 2013 (CSTHST)-- URL edited 1/Feb/2013
==Spam Battleplan==I notice we've been getting hit by spambots lately. Sadly, I doubt this problem will resolve itself. If it stays at this level, : Hi! I think we can handle ityou have good precedent here, but especially if it increases substantially we'll have to take some preventative measuresthe pages are not being updated. What I would ''like'' to be able to do is implement a captcha system for anonymous posters. I was searching over at meta.mediawiki— [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org today and found only a teeny bit of discussion about this/index. The more radical solution would be to disable edits by anonymous users altogther. I don't think it's the best solutionphp?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 21:38, January 31, but at least we can know that this would be the worst case scenario. 2013 (HST)
You can rollback an article by clicking on : Yep. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="diffs" from the Recent Changes page and then 3.5"rollback,color=" or clicking green"historyface=" on that pageAdobe Garamond Pro, then "compareGaramond, Georgia,Times New Roman" then >Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="rollback.red" Note that anonymous edits can never be marked as >talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="minorblack" so they'll always show up on >contribs</font>]] <font face="Recent changes.Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 03:13, February 1, 2013 (HST)
If :As you probably noticed that during our discussions in 2007 about deleting parish directory pages in the spam bots ravage USA that I agreed in their removal, mainly over the issue of maintaining their currency. I still favor their removal for that reason. Also, even the effort of maintaining a simple listing of parishes for the site too seriouslyworld means thousands of entries, we can restore backup maybe tens of thousands, that should be in some orderly manner but could be difficult given the entire site from differences of opinions concerning identity of the previous day or weekecclesiastical groups. (Transfer of my comment of User talk:Pistevo)[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 10:04, February 1, and then lockout anonymous users from editing. 2013 (HST)
So::Thanks everyone! Over the next few days, letI's keep ll change the directory pages to be links to the relevant page on the watch against spam! Besides exhorting youOrthodoxyInAustralia.com website, I just wanted you all to know that there is a plan and spam wonpending their deletion (before the end of the year). — by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]''t destroy us! (''the crowd cheers and runs exuberantly from the stadium[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 18:33, February 1, 2013 (HST).
==Wikimedia Commons==I just ran across the storehouse of [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Orthodox_Church images and other files related to Orthodoxy] on the [[Userhttp:FrJohn|Fr//commons. Johnwikimedia.org Wikimedia Commons]] 18:00, 11 Feb 2005 (CST).
'''Update:''' See [[OrthodoxWiki:Vandalism]] How do you think we can integrate these or best draw attention to these as a source for further discussion of this. - [[User:FrJohn|Frarticles? I think, as a rule, we should prefer images with open licenses to those from our other benefactors. John]] 16:55, 30 October 2005 (CST)
==Featured Article==What do y'all think about changing the [[Template:Featured|Featured Article]] on a weekly basis? Also, how do we choose? Perhaps we could rotate the choice between sysops who would like to participate. --[[User:ASDamickFrJohn|RdrFr. AndrewJohn]] 09:04, 8 Feb 2005 (CST)
It might be a good idea to "watch" the ==Year-end inventory==Please see [[Template talkOrthodoxWiki:FeaturedInventory]] page. Should we each try to come up with a possibility for a featured article once a month or something (at least when we only have one left in the queue)? {{User:Magda/sig}} 09:29, November 11, 2005 (CST)Thanks.
==Standard WelcomeNew Features==Methinks a useful practice for us As of Nov. 21, 2005 I've enabled the option to begin would be to have show the # of users watching each page. (Check down below, near the metadata stuff.) I've also added a standard welcome feature that gets added to every new user's Talk page as soon as a sysop notices his registrationallows bureaucrats (i.e. Included could be links me) to rename users without hacking through the Community Portal, the Style Manual, help pages, etcdatabase directly. This is what should help with the one on Wikipedia looks like: occasional request for account renaming. [[WikipediaUser:Template:WelcomeFrJohn|Fr. John]]
Perhaps the best way for us to do this would be to have a template with the welcome in it (:Nov 28 update - Added [[TemplateSpecial:WelcomeEditcount]], perhaps, which is what Wikipedia does, too), so that we could just post '''<nowiki>{{welcome}} --~~~~</nowiki>''' in the new user's Talk page and not have to update each Talk page every time we want to include something new in the welcome message—we could just update the template.
Thoughts? --==Awards, Recognizing civic virtue on the wiki==I've been admiring Wikipedia's use of [[Userw:ASDamickWikipediaBarnstars|Rdr. Andrewbarnstars]] 12:33to award people who contribute their time and talent to the wiki. We should keep this in mind as we continue to grow, 2 Feb 2005 (CST)and figure out how to adopt something like this for our local practice.
A few links of interest here:Okay* [[w:Wikipedia:Barnstars]]* http://www.usemod. Sorry to ask basic questions, but I can't find the answer elsewherecom/cgi-bin/mb. How do you know when a new user registerspl? Is there a log that can be "watched?" I noticed a new name show up on the Recent changes page, but could not tell whether or not he had been lurking for a while in the background. FrBarnStar - pre-dating Wikipedia* http://www. John sent him the welcome message, so I guess he's newthebarnjournal. And then Rdr Andrew sent the Welcome message to a User that hasn't shown up recently in Recent Changesorg/stories/story018/index2. How did you know if he was new? html --[[User:Dcndavid|DcnDavid]] 22:53Images, 1 Mar 2005 (CST)some ideas for alternative barnstars
:: What I do is scan [[Special:Recentchanges]] and [[Special:Listusers]] regularly. If I see a name I donDon't recognize, I send them forget the mention of barnraising on the welcome. Eventually, I'll probably just scan [[SpecialOrthodoxWiki:RecentchangesCommunity Portal]] for such checking as our user base grows and my memory starts to fail. :) --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 11:09, 2 Mar 2005 (CST)
:::See whether the [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodoxwiki/database?method=reportRows&tbl=1 Database table] Appointing Sysops==I just wanted to share some thoughts about how I've made gone about appointing sysops. Basically, I'm looking for a few things: *Some degree of sanity as well as a healthy dose of balance and humility in content submitted and dealings with other people online.*A demonstrated commitment to OrthodoxWiki and a desire (or at least a willingness) to take on some of the Yahoo Group would be administrative burden for keeping this site in good order. This generally means a good record of any usebroad interest in the wiki. We could appoint *Finally, some ecclesiastical standing (as a day/schedule/person cleric, seminarian, presbytera, recognized Orthodox personality, etc.) is desirable but not required. This is so because it is helpful to update it periodicallyhave those who are, but this might prove useful in making sure we're one way or another, "noticingauthorities" new peoplein the Church moderating things, and, of course, not people who don't use their accounts as oftenpublic recognition helps establish the credibility and status of OrthodoxWiki. --[[User:Magda|magda]] 13:32, 2 Mar 2005 (CST)
==''"If anyone aspires to the office of sysop, he desires a noble task"'' (cf.1 Tim 3:1) - If I've overlooked you or if you have someone to nominate for sysop duties please leave a note on my [[User_talk:Template:IndependentFrJohn|user talk]]==What are the situations when this template should be added page. Of course, I reserve all rights in terms of appointments and removed? {{User:Magda/sig}} 14:06, November 29, 2005 (CST)terminations.
::Hi MagdaSo far, I think we should add it to a user's page whenever they advertise their independent group ve been pretty liberal in any way. This would mean if they knighting sysops -- at this point we can use an ecclesiastical title in their user nameall the help we can get, or if they provide links and it seems to me to their group's homepages. We'll let them do this (where appropriate), but should make sure their identity is clear so nobody gets confused (and also so that no one thinks we're endorsing their views, which would hurt our credibility considerably). I'm trying be a good thing to make this into empower a formal policy at robust band of trustworthy members to help manage the site. [[OrthodoxWikiUser:User_guidelinesFrJohn|Fr. John]]. {{User21:FrJohn/sig}}58, 27 Feb 2005 (CST)
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