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There seems to be some confusion going on with regard to the epigonation/palitsa and the nabedrennik and which side which is worn on. Specifically, this sentence: ''if the epigonation/palitsa has also been awarded, it is worn on the right side'' &#8212; ''it'' has an ambiguous antecedent. Does ''it'' refer to the epigonation or the nabedrennik? I'm pretty ignorant on this, so I'm not going to rollback the changes here. I just need someone with knowledge to disambiguate the sentence so we don't have a right/left edit war. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 17:39, 24 Jan 2005 (CST)

== Pictures for the vestment-challenged? ==

Is it possible to have pictures of some of these items? As someone very unfamiliar with the Eastern Orthodox church -- likely several hours drive from one, these things are very hard to picture.

: Yeah, I've been meaning to grab my digital camera and shoot some photos for these articles.  There are certainly plenty of pics online, but one can't just grab one and use it without permission.  --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 17:17, 8 Feb 2005 (CST)

::I just emailed Nikita of http://nikitatailor.com for permission to use some of his photos on our site. I'll let you know how it goes. [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]] 19:52, 8 Feb 2005 (CST)

::: I'll try to get pictures with permission for use, for the Western Rite vestments. On a side note - would it be possible to post more than one picture where the Greek and Russian styles differ (or the Romanian, such as with the Skufia?)  - Aristibule

::Sure, you/we can post as many pictures in an article as we want. Thanks for your work! [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]

== RE: Non-Liturgical Western Vestments ==

I've updated to reflect that indeed the Cap and Tippet are used among Western Rite Orthodoxy. Also, the little 'burn' on the Old English surplice, which not only is used by ROCOR, but I have seen in use at AWRV parishes - not all AWRV parishes use the short Roman lace surplices. - [[User:Aristibule|Aristibule]]

== Clarification ==

I would just like to get two things clarified:

* Miter: all bishops wear this; the episcopal mitre is topped by a cross, unlike the priestly mitre 

Q-Do all bishops wear a cross on top of their miter, or is it just archbishops and metropolitan (etc...).  Is it related with the cross on the klobuk?

and...

*  Panagia/Engolpion - medallion usually depiction the Theotokos (Blessed Virgin Mary) holding the Christ Child. Some bishops (and all primates of autocephalous churches) have the dignity of a second panagia.

Q-I was just wondering with the wording of the latter sentence ("dignity of a second panagia").  Is it a second panagia, or an englopion?
--[[User:AKCGY|AKCGY]] 22:00, February 14, 2007 (PST)


== Need Clarification ==
There seems to be inconsistencies between articles: [[Vestments]] states Exorason/Ryasa as an outer garment and the Anteri/Podrjaznik is an inner cossack, while [[Novice]] calls isorassa / ryassa an inner garment but agrees the exorasson is an outer garment. What is correct? [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 12:39, August 27, 2012 (HST)


An Exorason/ryasa is the outer garment, and an anteri/podryasnik/isorason is the inner garment.  Isorason is another term for anteri in Greek.  [[User:AKCGY|AKCGY]] 15:07, August 31, 2012 (HST)