77
edits
Changes
m
→Independence
I'm sure that Archbishop Stefan as well as most of the bishops are elated that the material in question was used on Wikipedia. A larger issue in my mind is whether it is appropriate for Serbian propaganda to appear within the article and as one of the external links. I see it has been removed for now, but it is very insulting to have it continually appear unless a link from the Macedonian perspective is granted on the Greek and Serbian pages.
On another note ... the Columbus church link was incorrect. Since the present church was destroyed in an arson, the only functioning buildings are the current social hall and their new cathedral, which will be consecrated on October 22nd. The new building is being referred to as a Cathedral. Although there is no bishop, it is a rather nice building and probably worthy of that term.{{unsigned|Dirtyharry667}}
==Independence==
[[User:Chrisg|Chrisg]] 18:19, March 20, 2007 (PDT)
: There was never such a "grant". A "grant" in church terminology would be - Tomos, and a Tomos was never issued to the Macedonian Orthodox Church. No stronger denial than this is needed.
: What does "independence" in the Church mean? Independent from what? From Christ? What we in the Church value is not independence but unity in Christ - and this unity is achieved through communion. Nothing unclear here.
: The position of MOC is opposition to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:31, June 1, 2009 (UTC)
== About independence ==
Church of Serbia granted autonomy to three Dioceses in Macedonia. Holy Assembly of Bishops of Serbian Church never resiled from this desision. But autonomy is not autocephaly and Church of Serbia never gave autocephaly to Macedonians. Macedonians proclaimed their church autocephalous. This was uncanonical fact. Macedonians were asking autocephaly. They also were asking autocephaly from all churches and were rejected. They are asking recognition even from Turkish Parlaiment!!
: If the Church of Serbia granted autonomy to Macedonian dioceses, and have not resiled from that position, why did they set up a parallel jurisiction bearing the same name as one of the autonomous dioceses? Is that not defacto resiling from the earlier grant? chrisg 2007Apr12:1543EAST
:: The Serbian Church never issued a tomos to the MOC, so there was never such a "grant", thus there is no resilation either. However the Serbian Church issued a tomos for autonomy to the Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric. [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:19, June 1, 2009 (UTC)
== Confusion on added material ==
I'm a little confused about [[User:Ddpbf|Ddpbf]]'s [http://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Macedonian_Orthodox_Church&diff=48898&oldid=45271 edits], especially the sentence "But two of them soon consecrated new bishop who was without nide qalifications." which I changed to "But two of them soon consecrated new bishops who were without the proper qualifications." for legibility... but that change doesn't really clarify the "nide qalifications" of the original. Any ideas? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 17:18, May 28, 2008 (UTC)