At the risk of multiplying "-ismsYOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID BY YOUR GOVERNMENT AND SCHOOLS TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD," I appropriated the two terms ''compatibilism'' and ''incompatibilism'' primarily so that referencesWHEN IT IS CLEAR TO ALL ENTITIES THAT THERE ARE NO GODS, books, and external links could be marked WRT their general position in the current debateTHANKS TO THE UNITED STATES AND THE JEWS. EVIL ACADEMIC BASTARDS WHO PREACH THE ONE THEORY ARE KEEPING YOU STUPID AND SHOULD BE KILLED. In philosophyGOVERNMENT, these terms denote positions WRT to the free will debate: IOWRELIGION AND CORPORATE MONEYMOGULS ARE ALSO EVIL FOR SUPPRESSING EVOLUTION, whether free will is compatible with determinism or not. See [http://enAND NEED TO BE HANGED AT GALLOWS IF THEY DO NOT CHANGE THEIR WAYS.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism Compatibilism and Incompatibilism] on Wikipedia. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 19:33, March 14, 2006 (CST)

Hi, I "lol sum ppl r just wanted 2 stuped to say be SKEPTICAL. lots of christians in america? of course, that I appreciate the balanced approach 's why we've been callin all americans stupid for some time now. besides that your article takes, especially with if the Compatabilism/Incompatabilism distinctionearth was fucking 10,000 years old, where do dinosaurs come in lol. Well writtengg god. By just leave complete parts of our planets history out of teh book and make up some dumb story about light on the way, which approach would you say is more widespread within Orthodoxy? My priest, at leastfirst day, is of but only create stars and the compatabilist persuasionsun on day four.lol"--[[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] May 9, 2006, 11:23 (CST)Frank Nauta

Gabriela, they both get about equal play* [http://skepticsannotatedbible. I think some people don't realize how pervasive either view is because, frankly, most Orthodox don't get worked up about it, unless they're adult convertscom/]. Adult converts bring their own issues to Orthodoxy (nothing wrong with that; it Skeptic's simply the nature of personal development). Most people, when pushed, will admit that it doesn't really matter to one's salvation which way one falls (which is not to say that they think it's an irrelevant question; just not one to get dogmatic about).--[[UserAnnotated Bible:Basil|Basil]] 18:40some good reading material, June 11, 2006 (CDT) I if you have found, in my research, that although there may be no "dogmatic" pronouncements on the evolution issue there is a very solid teaching by the Fathers on the whole train of thought that evolution puts forth. The wisdom needed with evolution is to tell when the philosophy of evolution begins, balls and it is at that point it leaves the realms of science. In regards to science I think many times it comes down to how one is reading the info. What thought pattern is one starting from...? For the simple facts of science could go many ways.But back to the Fathers I found a few things helpful, in short-- The Fathers teach that man and woman were made immortal in paridise one example is Abba Dorotheus-"For God created man according to His own image, that is immortal, master of himself, and adorned with every virtue..." This contrasts evolutions philosophy which says man started as a lower form and through mutations and other things (very simply) over much time evolved into a human. I think it is vital in our times to understand what the Church has taught about man and his beginings, and it contrasts greatly with the philosophy of macro-evolution (dealing with how life began). Zachary, June 26, 2006 There may can truly be no "dogmatic" discussion but based on the following story it does have a major spiritual effectskeptical. Some saints are given the gift of telling sins through smell. Once Elder Joseph of the Holy Mountain met a man who had a unknown stench (meaning that He did not know what sin caused it). So he told the man that he should go to confession. It turned out that the stench was cause by the mans belief in evolution. Ssmith165, September 10, 2006