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Am I right that Metropolitan Antonio is an Old Calendarist bishop? --[[User:Arbible|Arbible]] 12:19, August 28, 2006 (CDT)
:His church (ie Orthodox Church in Italy) is Old Calendarist, so yes.  If he is to be considered a bishop, his article needs renaming (I assume to 'Antonio (de Rosso) of Italy' or something similar), currently the implication is that he is a figure (i.e. not even a monk). &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 06:52, August 29, 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. Not sure if Old Calendarists have ''valid'' bishops, so will remove the 'cat Bishops' until you/we confirm that he is a canonical bishop/metropolitan with valid Apostolic succession. --[[User:Arbible|Arbible]] 08:25, August 29, 2006 (CDT)
:I removed the reference to his friendships - I don't think that should be in the article. Also - to Arbible - many (Western, schismatic, especially Anglican-descdent) groups use the traditional/scholastic Roman Catholic distinction between licit and valid orders, tracing a history of ordinations, as a way of claiming legitmacy. In my understanding, the Orthodox church does not adopt this distinction. Epsicopal consecration is only valid and licit (to use Scholastic terminology) when in communion with the other Orthodox churches around the world. There has been some flexibility here in terms of how hard-nosed the division is, e.g. in the case of ROCOR and other schisms resulting from Communism, but schism remains a painful and destructive reality and should not be taken too lightly either. All that said, I'm not sure how this applies to the group or person in question here. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
:P.S. I've posted some of this at [[Episcopi vagantes]].

== Can he really be called Old Calendarist? ==

Given that Metropolitan Antonio introduced the Gregorian Calendar into his diocese and is in communion with bodies that are not Old Calendarist, I do not believe that it is fair or accurate to label him the head of the Old Calendarist Orthodox Church of Italy. Perhaps it would be better to say he is a former Old Calendarist bishop or some sort of thing. --[[User:Anastasios|Anastasios]] 17:11, January 2, 2008 (PST)