Talk:Athenagoras I (Spyrou) of Constantinople

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I've added I'm thinking of adding quotes from here, which are excerpts from Conversations with Patriarch Athenagoras written by the French Orthodox theologian and writer, Olivier Clement in 1969. The problem is theres a lot of text in there. If anyone has a particular favorite part or quote, please add it. All emphasis my own. Hellenica 12:48, September 12, 2006 (CDT)

"I do not deny that there are differences between the Churches, but I say that we must change our way of approaching them. And the question of method is in the first place a psychological, or rather a spiritual problem. For centuries there have been conversations between theologians, and they have done nothing except to harden their positions. I have a whole library about it. And why? Because they spoke in fear and distrust of one another, with the desire to defend themselves and to defeat the others. Theology was no longer a pure celebration of the mystery of God. It became a weapon. God himself became a weapon!"

"Those who accuse me of sacrificing Orthodoxy to a bind obsession with love, have a very poor conception of the truth. They make it into a system which they possess, which reassures them, when what it really is, is the living glorification of the living God, with all the risks involved in creative life. And we don’t possess God; it is He who holds us and fills us with His presence in proportion to our humility and love. Only by love can we glorify the God of love, only by giving and sharing and sacrificing oneself can one glorify the God who, to save us, sacrificed himself and went to death, the death of the cross."

"Orthodoxy, if it goes back to the sources of its great tradition, will be the humble and faithful witness to the undivided Church. The Orthodox Churches, in coming together themselves in mutual respect and love, will set a movement of brotherhood going throughout the Christian world, giving the example of a free communion of sister Churches, united by the same sacraments and the same faith. As to the Orthodox faith, centered as it is on liturgical praise and worship, and on holiness, it will bring the criterion of spiritual experience to ecumenical dialogue, a criterion which will allow us to disentangle partial truths from their limitations so that they may be reconciled in a higher plenitude of truth."

"But we Orthodox: are we worthy of Orthodoxy? Up till the efforts we have made in recent years, what kind of example have our Churches given? We are united in faith and united in the chalice, but we have become strangers to one another, sometimes rivals. And our great tradition, the Fathers, Palamas, the Philokalia: is it living and creative in us? If we are satisfied to repeat our formulas, hardening them against our fellow Christians, then our inheritance will become something dead. It is sharing, humility, reconciliation which makes us truly Orthodox, holding the faith not for ourselves – if we did that we should simply be affirming yet one more historic confession of faith – but for the union of all, as the selfless witnesses of the undivided Church."

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In searching for more information via Google, I found about 75% of the 1st page was other Wikis with the very same article as ours. My guess was that it was sourced from Wikipedia, but as it turns out, it looks like the OrthoWiki article was the source for the Wiki article itself: OrthoWiki Revision as of 20:01, September 21, 2005 as compared to Wikipedia Revision as of 13:36, 28 December 2005. Hellenica 13:07, September 12, 2006 (CDT)


Why isn't there an article about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iliada (talkcontribs) .

Because no one's created it yet. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 01:33, March 19, 2009 (UTC)