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Congratulations to you both! We are expecting our little baby girl in mid-October 2006. We might have to swap tips! {{User:Joe Rodgers/sig}} 23:48, August 5, 2006 (CDT)

Working on Bishop Basil entry

Dear ASDamick,

Thank you for your recent changes to the article on Basil (Osborne) of Amphipolis. I'm glad to see us working on this text together. I would like to see it accurately and dispassionately reflect the full state of affairs surrounding this bishop. I think that most of your revisions to my recent update of the text have been very helpful - again, my many thanks for them.

A few points that I think still need some further consideration:

  • Title: The title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' is contested, and highly controversial. It doesn't seem appropriate for the OrthodoxWiki article on the bishop to take a definitive side one way or the other on this matter. I had altered the text to address this, which you refined nicely. However, I do think it appopriate that the issue is left relatively open, by simply referring to him as 'Bishop Basil' in most cases (e.g. in the caption under the photograph). The title of the article gives him the title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' already, which points things in a certain reading; but I think we need to be wary of giving 'our own blessing' to a matter that is disputed amongst the patriarchates.
  • Nature of the bishop's retirement: I've corrected the paragraph on the nature of the bishop's forced retirement. This was not made because he sought reception in the EP, but because he sought to do so preemptorily, without canonical release and order.
  • Title in summary box: In line with my point above on the bishop's title, I think it is only fair / accurate to return the small footnote qualifier on the title in the summary box at the bottom. Not to do so seems to claim, in the article, that the matter is disputed and open, only to go on in the summary information to present it as a closed/decided issue. I think in fairness to the actual situation, this small flag is warranted and not in itself a bias (cf. for example the summary boxes on autocephalous churches on Wikipedia, where a small asterisk is used next to churches whose autocephaly is disputed by some).

I've made edits to the article this morning to account for the above points; I hope they're in general things you approve of (I've made them as separate edits, so you can see the progression).

--Antonios 07:08, August 6, 2006 (CDT)

Edit count

"I'm currently in the lead and hoping I hit 10,000 first. (There's probably no prize, though.)"

I think we should throw a party. Fr. John
Seen ? Fr. John

Bp Thomas (Joseph) of Oakland

Thanks for responding to the issue on my talk page; I fear that, in the mood I was in, my response would have been somewhat less than an exhibition of perfect charity. — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 07:13, August 14, 2006 (CDT)

Byzantine response to OCA autocephaly

The bullet lists in Byzantine response to OCA autocephaly: Are they simply listing every single argument made by the Byzantine churches against OCA autocephaly? Because this one really boggles the mind: " * Moscow's act is an attempt to extend Soviet influence into America. "

This was perhaps tossed out by someone, somewhere, at some time, in an effort to amass as many objections as possible, but it clearly has no bearing whatsoever on the current state of affairs (as the rest of the article appears to). I'm not going to edit it quit yet (since you put it in there), but a footnote or an external link might be appropriate. Otherwise, it's completely spurious except as a historical curiosity which has clearly proven to be laughable. --Basil 16:16, August 14, 2006 (CDT)

I agree that documentation would be helpful. Historical arguments would be useful to keep in, as they do give some perspective on the historical relations between the two jurisdictions. Fr. John


A nice, subtle change that has not gone unnoticed. I look forward to your inactive partication! — FrJohn (talk)

Welcome back, Deacon Andrew. I missed your discipline on keeping a consistent format for the articles. I mean this sincerely as I looked forward to your catching my "typos". It had kept me on the 'ball' but I still needed a good editor. Wsk 13:57, October 9, 2006 (CDT)


I see you signed your last contribution "Father Andrew." Congratulations on your ordination! Gabriela 22:31, October 30, 2006 (CST)

corrupted letters

In editing the page Timeline of Church History with minor edits, the link you added [[bg:Времева лини�? на църковната и�?тори�?]] became corrupted. I would fix it, but the corrupted letters do not display on any of my browsers even if I look at the history. - Andrew 10:04, November 7, 2006 (PST)

AFAIK, this is a known issue with an upgrade to MySQL 5. I'm not enough of a whiz to fix the problem, and the damage is minimal, so we'll have to do it manually... Sorry! — FrJohn (talk)


Hi dear Father, I was leaving off the extra interwiki links for the Mian page until the additional localizations are ready for "Beta" stage, by which I mean that all the necessary documents have been translated... The "release" stage will then be when there are strong enough communities and moderation around these wikis to really launch them - i.e content and spam problems are dealt with quickly. — FrJohn (talk)

Metaxakis entry

Dear Father, Thank you for pointing out the issues of NPOV and MCB with the last edit I had entered. Of course I agree with having those standards for an encylopedic entry and I would like to see a better product along the lines you suggest. However I do have a few comments if i may.

  • I feel that the substance of what was written - about the agenda of the Pan Orthodox Congress of 1923 - actually was accurate and unbiased; after all history is history, and if those were the subjects that were tabled at that congress, it is a matter of history and a very important matter at that, and information which every Orthodox Christian today has a right to be informed and aware of. Im sure you agree that to simply list the items of the agenda as they were, is, I think is a neutral approach (i.e. "here is what what was proposed in 1923: 1, 2, 3, 4,..etc, in fact seven changes in all.) Not sure how else to word that part of it, it is what it is; some subjects such as this particular example, may not be neutral in themselves, and for us to attempt to make them so or omit them risks the error of creating our own modern bias instead, a risk every historian is aware of. The writing of history must be impartial, whether the historical facts in themselves are or arent impartial to us is another matter. I agree that the source timeline that I located the information on would be NPOV/MCB, however as for the information in itself, it is either factual or it is isn't (fabricated) other words there was no editing or personal opinions presented with that list, just the list of proposals in 1923 itself . And I remember seeing a similar list of items (from the 1923 congress) years ago on an OCA site, which I cannot find now. And so for this reason I believe it is necessary and important to have this part included for the complete and unbiased picture.
  • As for the second section I had entered (comparative study), which included a link to a site which detailed things about Metaxakis' early Masonic involvement right down to his troubled death, yes it too did not come from a MCB site, and that will need to be re-worked as you commented, perhaps with more research from other sources; but it too presented disturbing details, which in themselves were by nature * not neutral * (i.e. if he attained 33rd degree in 1909 that's important; if he was buried with Masonic honours in 1935 that fact too is important). It is doubtful how much other written research exists on this subject, at least in English.

At any rate I appreciate the direction. Would be interested in what you think. Cheers, Chris.

Thanks and congrats

Dear Father, thank you for your friendly welcoming and congratulations for your ordination! --Cat68 08:55, February 16, 2007 (PST)

HC invasion

Yes, indeed, we have descended. Our social ethics project has been, basically, to make sure that there were articles written for just about every article under the Ethics section. This is the first phase, followed by a review by the professor, after which you can expect changes to these articles (whether or not they've been worked on by other people in the mean time). Vandrona


Congrat's on the birth of your first child!--AKCGY 15:08, March 5, 2007 (PST)

Congratulations from the Andronaches, as well. Magda also wants me to add that she approves of March births :) Vandrona 15:31, March 5, 2007 (PST)

Aww, wow! I wish you and especially your wife the best of luck. You're going to have your hands full, I'm sure. I can't even imagine the responsibility. Gabriela 20:34, March 5, 2007 (PST)


Thank you for help, Father. Ddpbf 18:25, March 10, 2007,(CET)


Ok, I admit my ignorance. Thanks for the info. Gabriela 17:23, March 12, 2007 (PDT)

I Hope I'm Doing this Right

Hello Fr. Andrew, We have communicated via e-mail before. In fact, I recall you asking me years ago to get involved in this site. Now that I am starting to figure out how it works I will finally try to do so.

Thanks for your kind words

Frjohnwhiteford 16:41, March 18, 2007 (CDT)

See the above comments

I finally figured out the right way. My comments above were added a longer route.

Versions of names

Bless father. I am asking wich versions of names I should to use? I was using Serbian versions, because in articles abut St. Sava, St. Nikolaj etc were used Serbian versions. Now I was told to use English versions. I am confused. Literature in english uses more often Serbian versions. Ddpbf March 20, 17:24 (CET)


It seams that ww have problems with inter wiki on serbian page. From English to Serbian it works good but problem.--Ddpbf 10:20, March 27, 2007 (PDT)

images' deletion

Dear father your blessing. returning from Mt. Athos yesterday i found your notice about the deletion of my images because of tags' lack. i'm not at all familiar with all that electronic-copyright-jargon and i'm not sure whether the corrections i did will work. i hope i'm not troubling you too much with my ignorance. may the Holy Week and Easter brings light in your family and to you personally.

yours /vassili

Vassilip 02:47, March 29, 2007 (PDT)

Dear father

both images are personal and i have the only original copies. truly i'm not cognizant of copyright policies and i used what i thought as probably more appropriate (i used the commons one because i read i had to do it). again, i'm relly sory for all that mess.

yours indeed

Vassilip 05:08, March 29, 2007 (PDT)

Kallistos Ware

I arrived at his article and was surprised to find that his elevation to Metropolitan had already been updated. Kudos.

I was at a lecture hosted by His Eminence earlier today at Greek Orthodox Church of Our Savior in Rye, NY. The parish priest who introduced him mentioned to the audience that "Bishop" Ware was unaware of his elevation until the priest told him upon his arrival. Thus was I bemused at reading your update. Just out of curiosity, were you at the lecture as well? One of the brother priests perhaps? (There were quite a few other priests, and even a Romanian bishop) Or did you come upon the information some other way?

Hellenica 20:59, March 31, 2007 (PDT)

Capthca for registration

I see you guys are having the same problem as what I also want to deal with on our site. See:

As they claim, Capcha at account creation would prevent these spam bots. --JohnK 06:47, April 11, 2007 (PDT)

Re: Thank you!

Christ Is Risen! Thank you very much, Father Andrew, for your kind words. Yours in Christ, --Arbible 09:01, April 13, 2007 (PDT)

Article Titles

Father Andrew, I have been working on articles concerning Irene, wife of Leo IV, and Theodora, wife of Theophilus. I am about ready to post them on Orthodoxwiki, but I need good titles for the articles. To avoid too much work establishing titles on the web, I've sought your opinion as you have done so well in maintaining discipline of styles among all our articles. I find identifying many saints confusing with many of the saints having different titles applied to them.

I notice that Wikipedia uses title of their names and a century when they lived, to avoid similarities with other Irenes and Theodoras. These seem bland, but I haven't found any Orthodox source on the web that provides distinct identification for these saints! I noticed in some edits you made to Orthodoxwiki articles that you seem to follow the Wikipedia practice. The Orthodox church sites haven't been any help.

Following the practice of Theodora (Justinian's wife) does not appear reasonable for Irene or Theodora as their husbands were "Iconoclasts". For Irene, many if not a majority of the sites identify Irene as "Irene of Athens". I have been thinking of using this as a title for her. Another could be "Irene the Iconodule or Iconophile". For Theodora the Iconodule/iconophile would fit nicely.

Your comments and suggestions are solicited.

In passing I notice Irene's feast day does not appear on the calendar of saints, August 9 . An Irene appears for August 13, but after some investiagation this saint appears to be a "Princess of Constantinople-tonsured Xenia with a date of 1124". This confused me for a while!

Bill KosarWsk 15:00, April 15, 2007 (PDT)

Thanks, Father. I think we are on the same path.Wsk 18:13, April 15, 2007 (PDT)


What is going on? I just noticed that you changed the license agreement from being able to export to not being able to export? Right after I quoted it for the exports to Wikipedia I did this morning. What or who grants licensing for Orthodox wiki and how do I get in touch with them? Also what part makes the dual license incompatible and doesn't that violate using the wiki engine? LoveMonkey 13:02, April 24, 2007 (PDT)

1. The wiki engine has nothing to do with licensing. It's just a piece of software.
2. I just clarified the existing terms more explicitly, since I saw that there was some disagreement going on over at Wikipedia on the subject.
3. Licensing on OrthodoxWiki was defined by the administration within the first year of its inception. It is unlikely to be changed at this point, since so many edits here have been contributed under its terms. (This same message is being posted on your talk page.) —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 14:10, April 24, 2007 (PDT)


Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for helping us sort out the copyright mess over at wikipedia. -- Pastordavid 09:18, April 25, 2007 (PDT)


Thanks I see your following right behind me. I would delete them myself, but... I'm glad that you're apparently patrolling Special:Recentchanges. Koavf 16:18, May 2, 2007 (PDT)

Fistly, I'd like to thank you for your answer. Secondly, if I've undestood well your explanation, I should propose el:User:kostisl appointed for host -if he wishes. He has already done excellent work on Orthodoxy in greek wikipedia, and he is the proper person I thing for this kind of job. I wish you the best--Kalogeropoulos 06:22, May 25, 2007 (PDT)

You dont like it when people edit your articles!!

Ive noticed, Father Andrew, that you dont like it when people edit your articles. you get pissy and then re-edit them back to their old and most times INACURATE form. How are you supposed to help this site if you cant put your own ignorant biases??

Shame on you!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fredthomzac (talkcontribs) .

Well, none of the articles on OrthodoxWiki are "my" articles. I presume this note is regarding the Church of Estonia article. I've addressed this both on your talk page and at the talk page for the article. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 17:43, May 30, 2007 (PDT)


Dear Fr. Andrew, Thank you for the greetings. I'll send your regards if ever I will meet him.

Filipino 03:19, May 31, 2007 (PDT)

Fr. Andrew wrote: Hello! I don't know if you know Archimandrite Philemon (Castro), but in case you do, I wanted to pass on greetings to him. He and I were in seminary together at St. Tikhon's for two years.

Not just a Comment on a Talk Page

Dear Father, The allegation that the Episcopal seat of the Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and South East Asia is "VACANT" was not merely "a comment on a talk page". This allegation was "incorporated" into the article by a certain Marcus (an Orthodox from the Philippines, a former ROCOR member) and he wrote:

"The Episcopacy is currently vacant as of March, 2007 and may be abolished pending the decision of the Holy and Sacred Synod of Constantinople."

- User MARCUS Revision as of 08:56, May 4, 2007

Please see: [1] User MARCUS Revision on May 04, 2007 in OMHKSEA "Episcopacy".

Filipino 09:48, June 2, 2007 (PDT)

Fr. Andrew wrote: ...and, in any event, it's just a comment on a talk page. It wasn't even incorporated into the article. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 05:24, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

Let's Hope

Dear Father, Certain individual/s are out to create confusion in the minds of faithful members belonging to the canonical Orthodox jurisdictions. Let's hope they will stop spreading lies and rumors.

Filipino 20:51, June 2, 2007 (PDT)

Fr. Andrew wrote: Regarding your recent comment: Sorry about that. When I looked at the article, that edit had already been changed, so all I saw was the talk page comment. My mistake. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 10:45, June 2, 2007 (PDT)

Retrieved from ""

About Soko.tica

Dear father, bless,

I mast to warn you , that some individuals in Serbia, neither of them is cleric, traying to acuse Metropolitan John for warious heresies. They are gathering on website Holy Synod condemed this website. They targets are also bishop Ignjatije of Branicevo and some other Serbian and Greek Theoligicans.

Yors in Christ

--Ddpbf 10:04, June 15, 2007 (PDT)

Timeline of Church History

Hello Father, Eulogeite. Thanks for your comments on my talk page about the timeline. Yes it's true the later more recent historical entries (esp. after 1991) do amount to mini paragraphs. Its easier of course to add more details about events closer to our own time, but you are right. I was aware of it as well, but originally concentrated on recording the content at first. I will certainly try to go back asap and edit out the extraneous details for those entries. May take some time but I will definitely go back and work on it, aiming for headlines only. If there are articles to place the extra details in will do. Would like to add a few more entires this week, then go back and edit out as much as possible from the long entries I placed. Many thanks again.



Angellight_888 20:45, July 8, 2007 (EDT)

Timeline - edited

Greetings again Father, I have made the requested edits as you have suggested. I have listed all the dates edited and shortened in the summary. (I eliminated 5 kilobytes from the total file). I think it is a much better product. Please go through it and let me know what you think. If you think there is room for more please let me know or feel free to amend, however I think it is okay now. Thanks again. Also added several links, another useful way to shorten as you suggested by pointing to info elsewhere. Hope it's better.


Chris. Angellight_888 12:30am, July 8, 2007 (EDT)

Timeline of Church History

Hello Father, Perhaps with the RC entries, I can see your point. However the ongoing persecution of the Ecumenical Patriarchate I think is important in terms of the history of the Church and should be definitely recorded. The new papal document may have bearing since in it it refers to Orthodox Churches as "sisters churches" but with "defects;" and since there is an ongoing dialogue at present, again this is a historical statement bearing on that relationship. In addition, these two news items I think were notable outward expressions of long present conditions and simmering tensions.

Cheers, Chris. Angellight_888 10:05am, July 16, 2007 (EDT)

Thanks! How's parish life, btw?

Thanks for the kind congratulations. (Don't worry about not noticing earlier—you've got a lot going on.) Getting married is definitely one of the best decisions I've ever made, after joining the Church. We have the occasional squabble, of course, but it's well worth it.

How are you liking South Carolina, though? I'm sure getting used to your first parish is quite an experience. Hope all is well. Gabriela 20:49, August 12, 2007 (PDT)

Aha! Well... you know... somewhere in that general mid-Atlantic area. I could have sworn I remembered something about SC—faulty memory, I guess. In any case, I'm glad it's going well. Gabriela 19:28, August 13, 2007 (PDT)

Detailed Version

Your Blessings;

The section in the Orthodoxy in the Philippines was deleted because the group is uncanonical and the person mentioned is not a clergical member of a canonical Orthodox Church.

Demetrios stub

Heh. I guess I was thinking more about how many more "Demetrios" types there were still to be added rather than the fact that the disambiguation page looks rather full. —magda (talk) 17:59, January 31, 2008 (PST)

Ss. abbrev.

Thanks for the correction. I should have looked in the abbreviations guide when I was wondering which it was, but that was far too obvious for me to think of! Gabriela 06:38, February 6, 2008 (PST)

She Who is Quick to Hear - Panagia Gorgoepikoos

Hi, thanks for uploading your copyright image of the St Tikhon icon ... I dont know much about the history of your specific icon. Are you able to provide a link from within the Tikhon Monastery page linking to the article on the Quick to Hear icon ... I mean, the copy of the icon you guys have is SO beautiful it would be nice to have a bit of history of it even though its not the original. -- Vasiliki 19:24, February 12, 2008 (PST)

Comments in Brackets

Hi, how do I do that? How can I put 'editing' comments in the bracks on the Recently Changed list? -- Vasiliki 18:24, February 18, 2008 (PST)

Oh Man! *GRoan*

  1. Never gonna get this naming thing right! -- Vasiliki 17:06, February 19, 2008 (PST)
  2. Bishop name thingy ...never gonna get this naming thing right would think I would look at that Style Manual more than just once! -- Vasiliki 18:03, February 21, 2008 (PST)


it is important for me to tell you that the way you communicate is often offensive to me - if reading between the lines counts. I often wonder if you stop to consider that there is a real person contributing to this site who might be sensitive to the fact that you only critise them .... the fact that this person has not been there from the beginning does not count unless they were a troublemaker (which I am not) and should not make them any less important to this site than those who have been here for a long time ... Did you not read the Parable of the Last Judgement on Sunday? Is this or is this not an Orthodox site? I have put a lot of work into the little that I have done ... even if it is a 'peppering' ... seasoning is good, it often adds much flavour to food once the food has finished cooking ... perhaps my contributions are not massive VOLUMES in comparison to the rest of you but for me they have been my whole heart. My contributions have been out of genuinous and a desire to inform the world of ... whatever the topic is that interests me from Orthodoxy - Church of Greece holds as much right to be developed as does the Church of America (which has volumes of articles with list after list). Show a little understanding before you use such comments as "dilute" as you are meant to be a person of example Vasiliki 19:35, March 6, 2008 (PST)

See my response on your talk page. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 08:08, March 7, 2008 (PST)

Multimedia Presentations

Greetings Father, Eulogeite... :)

I had one suggestion, and one idea I wanted to ask you about.

A) I noticed on another different wiki website that they have sections on the top of some of their articles (in a self contained box) for "MULTIMEDIA" -- see for example: Just wondering if we should be trying to include more of the same where we can here or if we can...

B) If so, I just heard the wonderful presentation by His Eminence Bishop Kallistos Ware, which he gve on Feb. 19th at Troy Michigan. There are 3 files for this public presentation in .mp3 format, here: and I am wondering what the permissions are for this content (I havent looked into it yet), if we are allowed to use it on our Kallistos (Ware) of Diokleia page.

What do you think? Thought I would pass this on and ask. Cheers, and best wishes over Great Lent Angellight 888 14:14, March 7, 2008 (PST)

Talk:John (Zizioulas) of Pergamon

Thanks for weighing in on this talk page (and for the character reference) - it seems like some very dire mountains are being made out of not very dire molehills... — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 13:37, March 14, 2008 (PDT)

Template categorization

Help please I've been categorizing templates, but Template:Defaultcopy is protected. I suggest that you add <noinclude>[[Category:OrthodoxWiki Templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude> to it. Thanks. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 07:14, April 9, 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed some problems with the spacing in some of these, but adjusting the line breaks in the templates doesn't seem to do much. Template:Lang-el is a good example of what I'm talking about. In Iconography, for example, there's either a space afterwards, on the same line, or there's a line break (somewhere), forcing the remainder of the sentence on a new line which begins with a space. (Template:Lang-el also uses Template:Langwithname, which I've also tried adjusting. Maybe there are more variables than I've taken into account?) —magda (talk) 20:55, April 10, 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Breaks

I dont know what to say ... you tell me it is not personal yet I am tagged, on this public forum, as lacking in "Academic English" (that is personal and really unnecessary since I already know that I lack being a perfect literary genius and its obvious but I am not hopeless) but in all of this humiliation I still make a valid point that not all of the articles I contribute are THAT BAD! So, if a degrading 'clean up' tag is added just let me know what I need to do to improve the article, dont just black ban it - I wouldnt know what part of the article needs to be fixed. Signed, the LESS INTELLIGENT 'user' of your group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ixthis888 (talkcontribs) .

I've replied on your talk page. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 00:25, April 11, 2008 (UTC)
I dont mean to come across as "adversarial" or "antagonised", I certainly dont see you or anyone as an enemy or as antagonists. "Apla me epiase to parapono" because I really spent a LOT of time putting the disambiguation pages together. real, honest hard work and it took so much time to find out what the names mean, and then find all the saints who are celebrated by the church and then put them into an order and also, I thought, kept within the style of the other disambiguation pages, did all that research, cross-checked against existing OW styles: and I STILL GOT IT WRONG! I hope u can see my point and perhaps leave it that? ... So we established how bad I am at expressing myself? So I want to establish that even in these simple 'parapona' my 'tone' isnt reflected well because of the fact I cant write!!!! I am not a person who wears a 'grumpy person hat' and I get frustrated that i cant express myself without offending someone ...
So, as an apology all I can say is that in expressing myself I dont. Vasiliki 01:35, April 11, 2008 (UTC)

Easter Greetings

Hi Fr. Andrew, just wanted to wish you warm Easter greetings. All the best for a happy Easter and a wonderful Resurrection, CHRIST IS RISEN, GLORIFY HIM! Cheers. Chris. Angellight 888 05:14, April 25, 2008 (UTC)

Blocking "Vandals"

I dont envy the amount of time wasted having to undo all of their vandalism. Its a shame. The person did appear mentally unstable from "The Pope" article, its a "krima" when people do not understand to respect other people's property or points of view. We had a crazy guy at the church two years ago and he was obsessed with harassing me and another lady Susan ... it took Geronta Damaskinos 2 seconds to look at him last year and we have never seen that guy again (He was claiming he was a time traveller and that he was sent by the past into the future from the head of the Angels to fight "those" people - I was one of them "those", whatever those refers to, LOL, ... he really gave me the creeps ...) this guy seems to be from the same time travelling group :-) Vasiliki 22:41, April 29, 2008 (UTC)

Proper conduct

Please talk to the other contributors before reverting their contributions. Cebactokpatop 18:08, April 30, 2008 (UTC)

My only agenda is the truth. Facts I added to the article are easily verifyable. If this website has an agenda of hiding the truth, it should state it clearly. Despotism you expressed when talking about your right to revert anything your ears are itching about, is blasphemous behavior that does not go hand in hand with the "fr" you are putting before your name. Sooner you realize it, sooner you would start to look like real "Fr". Cebactokpatop 18:26, April 30, 2008 (UTC)

Orthodox Source

Hi Father, I know that the article should be in Orthodox Source but like I mentioned before (a few months ago) I can not create an account on this site. I sent an email but have not heard back from anyone to say that the problem is fixed. Otherwise, I would move that article to Orthodox Source since it is quite old and its nice and its been circulated in paper copy a trillion times. I still think its a valid link to the Pentecost article since it is a story showing how Christ 'relieves' the souls of the dead during Pentecost. I wish I knew the source/origins of this article. I am pretty sure its an Apocrypha book but I cant validate that because I dont have scholastic links. Vasiliki 00:47, May 3, 2008 (UTC)

URGENT - Problem with the Editing Tab

Hello, I have been unable to use the "EDIT" tab since last night. Each time I log in and hit "EDIT" it asks me to save a file to my computer but then I cant actually edit. The only form of editing I CAN do is Sub-section editing there a problem with Orthodox Wiki that requires fixing!! I have used three different computers to see if the problem was local to my computer but it appears to be linked to my account not to the computer. Vasiliki 04:19, May 3, 2008 (UTC)

Image Copyrights in "Coptic Orthodox Church in Canada"

Sorry about the delay. I should bring this to your attention. Thanks for everything, ~ Troy 02:13, May 7, 2008 (UTC)


I dont appreciate that every time I have a thought or a comment you immediately go off to an OW "rule" list and update it to reflect the specific discussion you have had with me ... it almost feels like you are muscling me into feeling like somehow I have done something wrong and you are putting me in a naughty corner. I take OW seriously and I am aware of your OW policies but that doesnt make them right ... what you portray as 'journalism' I know for a fact people are using as the official information/position of the church which sometimes may not actually be the formal position of the church on the matter and this concerns me because it just does ... I believe we have a duty of care to represent the churches formal position especially on serious political matters and not imply too much neutrality to be seen as English or Western friendly. This last comment has no bearing on the title of the other article ... a separate issue in itself. Take care :-) Vasiliki 02:16, May 20, 2008 (UTC)

See my response on your Talk page. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 13:02, May 20, 2008 (UTC)

I have read your response and as soon as I read some of your bullet points, my feelings WHERE hurt and I had tears down my face by some of these comments.

1. I dont find you heretical, please dont go insinuating or thinking it.

2. I am not frustrated. I just want to contribute like everyone else but oil and water dont mix so it appears also that the stupid can not mix with the smart - it doesnt work on OW! You should put a policy together that bans us altogether that is how it feels ....

3. I know what an Encyclopedia is, yet I want to point out that many Encyclopedia's adopt terminology that this site is all too quick to dismiss!

4. "I really just don't understand how you can want to edit on OrthodoxWiki" is not a fair comment to make because none of my articles are complex or political, they are usually about linking dioceses together or about some saint connected with those dioceses. Is it not obvious why I want to contribute to OW from all these articles I have done to now? Have you ever seen be put together any articles discussing issues?

You all have the gift of being eloquent in the english language - bravo! I am not useless and if my responses seem somewhat 'rhetoric' they are not supposed to be - they are simply the only way I know how to communicate (oh yeah - like you remind me all the time, I CANT). In my mind, I am holding a discussion ... in your minds, I think that you think I am trying to push some sort of argument to the rest of OW. Im not ... question is, would you be so bold to say these things in my face if you knew me personally? I dont think so because you appear to be a nice person bc you stick smiley faces at the end of your paragraphs .. LOL

I believe I have been contributing harmlessly to this site and I believe I have been adding worthwhile information and I dont like feeling "isolated" because you all think I am stupid. That hurts my feelings because for 90% of my contributions they are OK - Vasiliki 03:50, May 21, 2008 (UTC)

Spelling Mistake

I'm sorry, but I find your attitude again unreasonable, this time with respect to your including the typo on the "Byzantine responses..." page. Really, it is not necessary to retain the spelling mistake with a sic. If you want to leave it in, then fine. But when people read it, they won't think 'Oh, how accurate!'; they'll think 'that's a bit needless'. It's standard practice to retain non-standard spellings when one is quoting from an original text source (whether a MS or a printed edition), or where the non-standard spelling leads to some semantic ambiguity. But in this context, the typo is from a translation not an original text, and the typo raises no questions concerning the meaning of the sentence. Really, it's a question of perspective: you only retain a typo, when there's some reason to. But here there's no reason - it just adds unnecessary textual apparatus.

I've looked over your recent discussion with Vassiliki, and I must add as well that some of what you said seemed rather brittle and high-handed. I don't think it was necessary; she was doing her honest best to help improve Orthodoxwiki. Seminarist 03:27, May 23, 2008 (UTC)


There is something deeply hypocritical about a sysop who complains about ad hominem and then calls someone a "jerk". On the one hand, your silly comment amused me. But on the other hand, I find it really sad - clearly you can't control your temper and, when challenged, you lack the linguistic facility to do anything other than descend into petty name-calling.

Such crude name-calling is hardly the response of a poet. But more importantly, it is not the response of a priest. When a priest, out of passionate inability to control himself, indulges in name-calling, it does not only reflect badly on himself; it also brings shame on his Church and on his Bishop. As a priest, you surely know very well that you should be above such things.

Shame on you, Andrew Damick.

I counsel you to think deeply about what the grace of priesthood requires of you, and to control your temper better in future.

Seminarist 11:44, May 29, 2008 (UTC)

See my response on your Talk page. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 12:42, May 29, 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Damick, the more times you use the word "jerk" in this context, the more silly it makes you look. You made a mistake using the word in the first place, and you have let yourself down by using it. I advise you to stop wriggling around with fatuous qualifications, which are to your further discredit. Seminarist 13:57, May 29, 2008 (UTC)