Talk:Matins

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I don't understand why this article is entitled 'Orthros' when 'Matins' is both the accepted and proper term in English. Can someone enlighten me? -- Pistevo 14:22, December 13, 2005 (CST)

Early on we had a discussion and elected to go with the Greek Orthros rather than the Latinate Matins as the standard for this article. This follows the pattern used elsewhere on OrthodoxWiki of preferring the Greek form of a name as the main article, with variants redirecting to it (see, for instance Diakonissa and Shamassy, Presbytera and Matushka, etc.). —Dcn. David ^{talk contribs} 14:47, December 13, 2005 (CST)

cf. style manual and previous conversation regarding use of Greek terminology —magda (talk) 14:49, December 13, 2005 (CST)

Thanks. I knew that was somewhere, but couldn't find it quickly. You are always rescuing me. I appreciate it. ;-) —Dcn. David ^{talk contribs} 15:18, December 13, 2005 (CST)

As far as I can see, the relevant part of the style manual says: "Thus, the preference for OrthodoxWiki will be to use Greek terms where no standard English word is predominant among Anglophonic Orthodox writers". The critical difference between Matins vs Orthros and Presvytera vs Matushka is that Matins is an English word, and is unquestionably predominant. -- Pistevo 03:02, December 14, 2005 (CST)

Is it? At least in the US (can't speak for y'all in the Global Deep South), Orthros is the preferred term among Byzantine tradition churches (which are in the majority). —Fr. Andrew ^talk contribs (THINK!) 07:37, December 14, 2005 (CST)

*greatly surprised*. If Orthros is predominant in North America, then I agree that it's probably best as it is (since most English translations - and most web-surfers - are from there anyway). In my neck of the woods, I'd have to pronounce Orthros with a Greek accent (like, say, Pistevo), because it'd sound like I was using a technical term. -- — by Pιsτévο ^{talk complaints} at 16:46, December 14, 2005 (CST)

Using the Google Method -- Orthros vs. Matins

Orthos: 57,500 hits

Mattins: 60,400 hits

Matins: 3,990,000 hits

I think "Matins" wins by a long shot.  :)

Frjohnwhiteford 11:20, April 16, 2007 (PDT)

Indeed. (No doubt your millions of voters there are mostly heretics, however!) However, this is not a spelling issue. This instead falls under the "Do we use Greek or Russian or Arabic or English technical terms"? "Matins" is clearly not favored by a massive amount of Anglophonic Orthodoxy, so the standard we've long used is to use Greek terminology for technical and theological terms, since it is original and universal.

See: OrthodoxWiki:Style Manual#Technical Terminology. —Fr. Andrew ^talk contribs 14:22, April 16, 2007 (PDT)