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The kalimafi & veil combination worn by Byzantine bishops and monastics is not a klobuk, which is the permanently combined version.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 20:15, July 23, 2006 (CDT)
 
The kalimafi & veil combination worn by Byzantine bishops and monastics is not a klobuk, which is the permanently combined version.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 20:15, July 23, 2006 (CDT)
 
:No, this is not correct. Only the Russians (and by the extension the Ukrainians and the OCA), and not all of them at that, use these klobuks which are permanently attached. In the Slavic Balkans, all klobuks have the epikamilavkion merely tied around the kamilavka, and they're called "klobuk" all the same. As is so often case, "Great Russian usage" is hardly coextensive with "Slavic usage." --[[User:Julio|Julio]] 13:54, July 27, 2006 (CDT)
 
:No, this is not correct. Only the Russians (and by the extension the Ukrainians and the OCA), and not all of them at that, use these klobuks which are permanently attached. In the Slavic Balkans, all klobuks have the epikamilavkion merely tied around the kamilavka, and they're called "klobuk" all the same. As is so often case, "Great Russian usage" is hardly coextensive with "Slavic usage." --[[User:Julio|Julio]] 13:54, July 27, 2006 (CDT)
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:: Thanks for that.  This should be noted in the article, i.e., that ''klobuk'' is a Slavic term for two slightly different items (noting where and how), but that the Greek Orthodox world (if I may use a general term) doesn't have the permanently attached versions and doesn't call them klobuks (not to my knowledge, anyway).  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 21:54, July 27, 2006 (CDT)

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The kalimafi & veil combination worn by Byzantine bishops and monastics is not a klobuk, which is the permanently combined version. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 20:15, July 23, 2006 (CDT)

No, this is not correct. Only the Russians (and by the extension the Ukrainians and the OCA), and not all of them at that, use these klobuks which are permanently attached. In the Slavic Balkans, all klobuks have the epikamilavkion merely tied around the kamilavka, and they're called "klobuk" all the same. As is so often case, "Great Russian usage" is hardly coextensive with "Slavic usage." --Julio 13:54, July 27, 2006 (CDT)
Thanks for that. This should be noted in the article, i.e., that klobuk is a Slavic term for two slightly different items (noting where and how), but that the Greek Orthodox world (if I may use a general term) doesn't have the permanently attached versions and doesn't call them klobuks (not to my knowledge, anyway). —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 21:54, July 27, 2006 (CDT)