Talk:Gibran (Ramlawey) of Australia and New Zealand

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episcopal rank

i've seen no evidence that +Gibran was archbishop - all documents i've seen say that he was just bishop of a diocese, and that after his repose the diocese got upgraded to archdiocese and title of bishop to metropolitan. oea 02:30, 11 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Googling for his name yields multiple sources referring to him as "archbishop" (including obituaries).[1] —[[User:ASDamick|—Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!)]] 20:20, 11 Sep 2005 (EDT)
this...is probably best described as 'frustrating' :). a bunch of external sources say 'archbishop', possibly because they are used to archbishops running the church. deanery of new zealand says 'bishop' in its obituary [2], and archdiocese of aust/nz says 'bishop' in its history of the archdiocese [3]. all that said, i'll change it only after this has been verified (either way) on an archdiocesan level. cheers, oea 01:50, 12 Sep 2005 (EDT)