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We can see in the Priest the Image of the Father, or that of Christ's Person, ... what we ''cannot'' do is to see in the Priest the Image of the Holy Ghost. [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] 10:52, July 20, 2006 (CDT) | We can see in the Priest the Image of the Father, or that of Christ's Person, ... what we ''cannot'' do is to see in the Priest the Image of the Holy Ghost. [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] 10:52, July 20, 2006 (CDT) | ||
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| + | On a website (written by Fr. George of Nagoya) I read (summarized by me) "St. Basil the Great opposes ordination of female, because presbyters should represent Jesus in the liturgy. As God, he has no sex; as human he has however sex as male, so presbyters who represent Jesus in his service should be also male". I don't know where Fr. George had found this passage exactly, so no location of P.G. cannot be given now, but this argument could be included to the article. --[[User:Cat68|Cat68]] 00:29, February 17, 2007 (PST) | ||
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What has the Deacon/Deaconess possibly have to do with the Priest? If there were (and, thank goodness, still are) Deaconesses in the Gr&Rus Churches, why then, in some two millenia of historical existence, have these Churches never ordained Priestesses? (if they considered them "equal to the Apostles" -- which they very much do).
To say that the Orthodox don't think that the Priest represents the Father/Son is missinformed & missinforming. Have You ever read St. Ignatius? "Have the Bishop like unto you as the Father, the Deacons as the Son, and the Deaconesses as the Holy Spirit" ... and "Have the Bishop like unto you as Christ, and the Priests as the Apostles".
Furthermore, Jesus Christ is a Person, Who has also a human Nature. Human nature can be "masculine or feminin", but a human person cannot be "masculine or feminin", but "either masculin, or feminin". (Now, the Priest is a Person, not a Nature -- to say otherwise means to be a little bit Nestorian in Theology).
The Bishop is like unto the Father, because he is the source of all Priesthood, just like the Father is the source of all Godhead (the Bishop is responsable for the ordination of Priests, either to "sacerdotal Priesthood", through Holy Orders, or to "general Priesthood", through Baptism&Consecration). The source in the Trinity is the Father, NOT the Holy Ghost, Who issues from the Father. (Are we considering here two sources in the Trinity? Are we "Spirituquists", or something ?)
We can see in the Priest the Image of the Father, or that of Christ's Person, ... what we cannot do is to see in the Priest the Image of the Holy Ghost. Luci83ro 10:52, July 20, 2006 (CDT)
Argument against
On a website (written by Fr. George of Nagoya) I read (summarized by me) "St. Basil the Great opposes ordination of female, because presbyters should represent Jesus in the liturgy. As God, he has no sex; as human he has however sex as male, so presbyters who represent Jesus in his service should be also male". I don't know where Fr. George had found this passage exactly, so no location of P.G. cannot be given now, but this argument could be included to the article. --Cat68 00:29, February 17, 2007 (PST)
