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Why the emphasis on the Observations?
== Why the emphasis on the Observations? ==
I don’t understand why anyone is concerned to argue that “all” of the changes required by the ''Observations'' were made by the Antiochians to their Western rite liturgies – even if such a claim were true. The ''Observations'' were the report of a special commission of the Moscow Patriarchate to address a specific question – how must the American Book of Common Prayer of 1892 be modified to make it acceptable for Orthodox use by those Episcopalians that were in discussion with Bishop (Saint) Tikhon. They have no official standing for any Church other than the Russian, and it is doubtful that Russian bishops today would feel bound by a 1904 commission report about a BCP that has not been used for almost 100 years. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:03, August 6, 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, I found this to be a salient point - the Observations were just that, observations, and I'm not convinced that they have any canonical force.
:Keeping this in mind, I have made an edit that, hopefully, will be acceptable to all. Hopefully, then, we might get to developing the article, or talking about who Angwin was... &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 21:56, August 6, 2008 (UTC)
::I don't find it salient, particularly as this article became contentious when this poster waged an edit war to deny the AWRV implemented all the Observation's recommendations for the Liturgy and Hours, then devoted pages upon pages to arguing his point. (Physician, heal thyself.) Now that he sees you disagree, he finds the issue meaningless.
::The Observations are historically important for the Western Rite, since this shows a committee of the Synod of Russia (martyred shortly thereafter) gave approval for St. Tikhon to allow some edit of BCP/Anglican worship for use in the Orthodox Church in the United States, and ultimately left the final shape to be determined on the ground. It was not a new, Antiochian idea in the 1970s.
::The Antiochian WR Vicariate authorized only the use of the Hours (Matins/Vespers) and St. Tikhon's Liturgy, and in doing so the AWRV implemented '''''all''''' recommendations appropriate to each. This is important, as detractors of canonical WRO have repeatedly [ lied] in an attempt to discredit St. Tikhon's Liturgy, "there exist conditions which the Russian Commission set, for fixing the Cranmer rite [sic.], with which the AWRV is not in compliance." They then rage St. Tikhon's Hours are [ "throughly Protestant"] and the Liturgy of St. Tikhon [ "Zwinglian"]! Since the misinformation is so abundantly available, as this Talk page proves, the truth should be available on this page. That is, after all, the role of an encyclopedia: to present accurate information to the public.
::As we've settled that all the recommendations for the Hours and Liturgy were implemented, the article is not aided by dropping that reference; further, it gives the WR's detractors additional room to spread misinformation. I hope that makes sense. If it didn't matter, this poster would not have made it such an issue. Now that it's settled, it shouldn't be stripped from the article.
:: Incidentally, Fr. Joseph Angwin kept a pretty low profile and, had few dealings outside his own parish. May he rest in peace. --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 05:21, August 7, 2008 (UTC)

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