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Gallican or Neo-Gallican?
As mentioned previously, the ancient rite of the Gauls did not have a fixed eucharistic prayer. A useful description may be found in Jasper and Cuming's ''Prayers of the Eucharist: Early and Reformed'', 3rd ed., 1997.The editors write: "The Gallican eucharistic prayer is organized on a basis of four fixed points: Sursum corda, Sanctus, Institution Narrative, and Doxology, between which are inserted three passages varying from Sunday to Sunday. In the Gallican rite these passages are known as ''contestatio'' or ''immolatio'' (the equivalent of the preface), ''post-Sanctus'', and ''post-secreta'' or ''post-mysterium'' (the Institution Narrative being known as ''secreta'')" (p.147). We also find a similarly tradition in the Spanish, as witnessed to by St Isidore of Seville. See, e.g., Josef Jungmann's ''The Mass'' (1976), pp. 60-61. In the Spanish, the variable parts are known as the ''illatio'', ''post-Sanctus'', and ''post-Pridie'' (Jasper and Cuming, p.151). --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 12:04, March 14, 2006 (CST)
 
== Gallican or Neo-Gallican? ==
 
It has been suggested that 'Neo-Gallican' would be the most accurate way of referring to the rite restored and presently being used by the Orthodox Church of France. As I indicated bepfore, liturgists use the term 'Neo-Gallican' to refer to a seventeenth century movement in the French Catholic Church. That is the only usage by liturgical scholars. I've only seen it applied to the current French liturgy by Western rite partisans who know nothing about the actual rite itself or who wish to present the French liturgy as less 'pure' than other Western rite liturgies in use today. It was written: "'Gallican' would be an imprecision, as it is not exactly what was in use in the first millenium." This isn't true -- we don't refer to the Roman rite as presently celebrated as 'Neo-Roman' even though it isn't exactly what was in use in ancient Rome. The same would be true of the Byzantine rite. We musn't confuse scholarly usage (which OrthodoxWiki aspires to) with the uage found in blogs, etc.
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