Talk:Fool-for-Christ - Revision history

CJSHayward: /* Following an enemy */

2019-06-28T17:57:39Z

‎Following an enemy

CJSHayward: /* Following an enemy */

2019-06-28T17:56:41Z

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CJSHayward: /* Following an enemy */ new section

2019-06-28T17:55:04Z

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Wsk: format

2009-11-07T02:13:43Z

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Dean Langis: /* Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, */

2009-11-06T22:20:42Z

‎Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually,

Dean Langis: /* Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, */

2009-11-06T22:18:38Z

Dean Langis: /* Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, */ new section

2009-11-06T22:16:58Z

Dean Langis: /* Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, */ new section

2009-11-06T22:16:24Z

Basil: forgot sig

2007-04-20T15:26:33Z

forgot sig

Basil: another link for discussion from GOArch

2007-04-20T15:24:56Z

another link for discussion from GOArch

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	Carl Jung has been called the greatest threat to the Church since Julian the Apostate, and I've met one former President of the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich who has only loudest alarms to sound about him (see Jeffrey Burke Satinover, [https://amzn.to/2NlUppH The Empty Self: Gnostic and Jungian Foundations of Modern Identity]). One hears that at the beginning of many failed Protestant pastorates, the clergy began reading Jung.		Carl Jung has been called the greatest threat to the Church since Julian the Apostate, and I've met one former President of the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich who has only loudest alarms to sound about him (see Jeffrey Burke Satinover, [https://amzn.to/2NlUppH The Empty Self: Gnostic and Jungian Foundations of Modern Identity]). One hears that at the beginning of many failed Protestant pastorates, the clergy began reading Jung.

−	Why are we seeking common ground with the likes of Arius and Nestorius? And, um, is the "Bishop" in charge of a "Traditionalist" center in communion with other bishops? I'm pretty much a traditionalist (for a slice of my writing, see [https://cjshayward.com/contraception/ Orthodoxy, Contraception, and Spin Doctoring: A Look at an Influential but Disturbing Article], or better [http://bestof.jonathanscorner.com my flagship collection The Best of Jonathan's Corner]), but so far as I know I have never met an assembly that has "Traditionalist" in its name that is canonical. I've made several efforts, and completely failed to find the bishop in charge of the Traditionalist Orthodox Center on [http://assemblyofbishops.org assemblyofbishops.org].	+	Why are we seeking common ground with the likes of Arius and Nestorius? And, um, is the "Bishop" in charge of a "Traditionalist" center in communion with other bishops? I'm pretty much a traditionalist (for a slice of my writing, see [https://cjshayward.com/contraception/ Orthodoxy, Contraception, and Spin Doctoring: A Look at an Influential but Disturbing Article], or better [http://bestof.jonathanscorner.com my flagship collection ''The Best of Jonathan's Corner'']), but so far as I know I have never met an assembly that has "Traditionalist" in its name that is canonical. I've made several efforts, and completely failed to find the bishop in charge of the Traditionalist Orthodox Center on [http://assemblyofbishops.org assemblyofbishops.org].

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	Carl Jung has been called the greatest threat to the Church since Julian the Apostate, and I've met one former President of the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich who has only loudest alarms to sound about him (see Jeffrey Burke Satinover, [https://amzn.to/2NlUppH The Empty Self: Gnostic and Jungian Foundations of Modern Identity]). One hears that at the beginning of many failed Protestant pastorates, the clergy began reading Jung.		Carl Jung has been called the greatest threat to the Church since Julian the Apostate, and I've met one former President of the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich who has only loudest alarms to sound about him (see Jeffrey Burke Satinover, [https://amzn.to/2NlUppH The Empty Self: Gnostic and Jungian Foundations of Modern Identity]). One hears that at the beginning of many failed Protestant pastorates, the clergy began reading Jung.

−	Why are we seeking common ground with the likes of Arius and Nestorius? And, um, is the "Bishop" in charge of a "Traditionalist" center in communion with other bishops? I'm pretty much a traditionalist (~~I wrote~~ [https://cjshayward.com/contraception/ Orthodoxy, Contraception, and Spin Doctoring: A Look at an Influential but Disturbing Article], or better [http://bestof.jonathanscorner.com my flagship collection The Best of Jonathan's Corner], but so far as I know I have never met an assembly that has "Traditionalist" in its name that is canonical. I've made several efforts, and completely failed to find the bishop in charge of the Traditionalist Orthodox Center on [http://assemblyofbishops.org assemblyofbishops.org].	+	Why are we seeking common ground with the likes of Arius and Nestorius? And, um, is the "Bishop" in charge of a "Traditionalist" center in communion with other bishops? I'm pretty much a traditionalist (for a slice of my writing, see [https://cjshayward.com/contraception/ Orthodoxy, Contraception, and Spin Doctoring: A Look at an Influential but Disturbing Article], or better [http://bestof.jonathanscorner.com my flagship collection The Best of Jonathan's Corner]), but so far as I know I have never met an assembly that has "Traditionalist" in its name that is canonical. I've made several efforts, and completely failed to find the bishop in charge of the Traditionalist Orthodox Center on [http://assemblyofbishops.org assemblyofbishops.org].

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	Dean Langis		Dean Langis
	Pastoral Assistant at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, Irvine, CA		Pastoral Assistant at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, Irvine, CA
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		+	== Following an enemy ==
		+
		+	Carl Jung has been called the greatest threat to the Church since Julian the Apostate, and I've met one former President of the C.G. Jung Institute in Zurich who has only loudest alarms to sound about him (see Jeffrey Burke Satinover, [https://amzn.to/2NlUppH The Empty Self: Gnostic and Jungian Foundations of Modern Identity]). One hears that at the beginning of many failed Protestant pastorates, the clergy began reading Jung.
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		+	Why are we seeking common ground with the likes of Arius and Nestorius? And, um, is the "Bishop" in charge of a "Traditionalist" center in communion with other bishops? I'm pretty much a traditionalist (I wrote [https://cjshayward.com/contraception/ Orthodoxy, Contraception, and Spin Doctoring: A Look at an Influential but Disturbing Article], or better [http://bestof.jonathanscorner.com my flagship collection The Best of Jonathan's Corner], but so far as I know I have never met an assembly that has "Traditionalist" in its name that is canonical. I've made several efforts, and completely failed to find the bishop in charge of the Traditionalist Orthodox Center on [http://assemblyofbishops.org assemblyofbishops.org].

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 Dear Editors,
-    Greetings!  I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known."  Actually, there were notable fools for Christ well before St. Andrew of Constantinople who lived in the 10th century.  Perhaps you could include correct this by including something like the following text from the article "Foolishness for Christ" from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolishness_for_Christ  :
+Greetings!  I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known."  Actually, there were notable fools for Christ well before St. Andrew of Constantinople who lived in the 10th century.  Perhaps you could include correct this by including something like the following text from the article "Foolishness for Christ" from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolishness_for_Christ  :
 "The Eastern Orthodox Church records Isidora Barankis of Egypt (d. 369) among the first Holy Fools. However, the term was not popularized until the coming of Symeon of Emesa, who is considered to be a patron saint of holy fools[1][5]. In Greek, the term for Holy Fool is salos."

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	::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Simeon comes from a Greek source. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:26, April 20, 2007 (PDT)		::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Simeon comes from a Greek source. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:26, April 20, 2007 (PDT)
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−	== Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, ==
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−	~~Dear Editors,~~
−	Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, there were notable fools for Christ well before St. Andrew of Constantinople who lived in the 10th century. Perhaps you could include correct this by including something like the following text from the article "Foolishness for Christ" from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolishness_for_Christ :
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−	"The Eastern Orthodox Church records Isidora Barankis of Egypt (d. 369) among the first Holy Fools. However, the term was not popularized until the coming of Symeon of Emesa, who is considered to be a patron saint of holy fools[1][5]. In Greek, the term for Holy Fool is salos."
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−	~~Thank you for your kind service and assistance!~~
−	~~Respectfully yours,~~
−	~~Dean Langis~~
−	~~Pastoral Assistant at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, Irvine, CA~~

	Dear Editors,		Dear Editors,

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       Dean Langis
       Pastoral Assistant at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, Irvine, CA
 Dear Editors,

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	::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Simeon comes from a Greek source. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:26, April 20, 2007 (PDT)		::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Simeon comes from a Greek source. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:26, April 20, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	== Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, ==
		+
		+	Dear Editors,
		+	Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, there were notable fools for Christ well before St. Andrew of Constantinople who lived in the 10th century. Perhaps you could include correct this by including something like the following text from the article "Foolishness for Christ" from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolishness_for_Christ :
		+
		+	"The Eastern Orthodox Church records Isidora Barankis of Egypt (d. 369) among the first Holy Fools. However, the term was not popularized until the coming of Symeon of Emesa, who is considered to be a patron saint of holy fools[1][5]. In Greek, the term for Holy Fool is salos."
		+
		+	Thank you for your kind service and assistance!
		+	Respectfully yours,
		+	Dean Langis
		+	Pastoral Assistant at St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, Irvine, CA

	== Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, ==		== Dear Editors, Greetings! I noticed that this article states, "Saint Andrew of Constantinople is considered to be the first such saint, although Saint Basil of Moscow is also widely known." Actually, ==

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	::G, I've seen this practice more now that I've been made sensitive to it. I think this comes down to the question of which is more common and which makes more sense in English. I'm not sure I totally see the distinction between one usage being a title and the other being non-titular contexts. Personally, I think it has to do with whether single words in an original language should be hyphenated in English to somehow indicate they are single words in Greek, Russian, etc. This works when creating a compound word, such as myrrh-bearer or wonder-worker, although those are more commonly not hyphenated. When one hyphenates a word, it is an indication that the word is not commonly a compound word, to give some indication that there are two words combining to make one. Eventually, after repeated usage, the hyphens fall away, and a single compound word is left. This makes no sense with "foolforchrist." I'll continue to look for both instances. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:19, April 20, 2007 (PDT)		::G, I've seen this practice more now that I've been made sensitive to it. I think this comes down to the question of which is more common and which makes more sense in English. I'm not sure I totally see the distinction between one usage being a title and the other being non-titular contexts. Personally, I think it has to do with whether single words in an original language should be hyphenated in English to somehow indicate they are single words in Greek, Russian, etc. This works when creating a compound word, such as myrrh-bearer or wonder-worker, although those are more commonly not hyphenated. When one hyphenates a word, it is an indication that the word is not commonly a compound word, to give some indication that there are two words combining to make one. Eventually, after repeated usage, the hyphens fall away, and a single compound word is left. This makes no sense with "foolforchrist." I'll continue to look for both instances. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:19, April 20, 2007 (PDT)

−	::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. ~~Symeon~~ comes from a Greek source.	+	::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Simeon comes from a Greek source. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:26, April 20, 2007 (PDT)

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	::G, I've seen this practice more now that I've been made sensitive to it. I think this comes down to the question of which is more common and which makes more sense in English. I'm not sure I totally see the distinction between one usage being a title and the other being non-titular contexts. Personally, I think it has to do with whether single words in an original language should be hyphenated in English to somehow indicate they are single words in Greek, Russian, etc. This works when creating a compound word, such as myrrh-bearer or wonder-worker, although those are more commonly not hyphenated. When one hyphenates a word, it is an indication that the word is not commonly a compound word, to give some indication that there are two words combining to make one. Eventually, after repeated usage, the hyphens fall away, and a single compound word is left. This makes no sense with "foolforchrist." I'll continue to look for both instances. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:19, April 20, 2007 (PDT)		::G, I've seen this practice more now that I've been made sensitive to it. I think this comes down to the question of which is more common and which makes more sense in English. I'm not sure I totally see the distinction between one usage being a title and the other being non-titular contexts. Personally, I think it has to do with whether single words in an original language should be hyphenated in English to somehow indicate they are single words in Greek, Russian, etc. This works when creating a compound word, such as myrrh-bearer or wonder-worker, although those are more commonly not hyphenated. When one hyphenates a word, it is an indication that the word is not commonly a compound word, to give some indication that there are two words combining to make one. Eventually, after repeated usage, the hyphens fall away, and a single compound word is left. This makes no sense with "foolforchrist." I'll continue to look for both instances. --[[User:Basil\|Basil]] 08:19, April 20, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	::Cf. also: http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/saints.asp?contentid=697 Looks like the difference is that the above (St. Xenia of St. Petersburg) comes from a Russian source, and the entry for St. Symeon comes from a Greek source.