https://en.orthodoxwiki.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Slava&feedformat=atomOrthodoxWiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T11:33:35ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.30.0https://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52184Talk:Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T17:54:22Z<p>Slava: /* You logic is flawed Fr. Andrei */</p>
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<div>I'm not sure how the Monks of HTM being "English speakers" is germane to becoming responsible for communication and publications. Did they become responsible for '''English language''' material? If so, the article should reflect that. If there is some other link, that should be noted. Otherwise, the clause about them being speakers of English is irrelevant, I think, and should be omitted.<br />
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Many thanks to the anonymous editor who helped with this article. You should consider getting an account so we know whom to thank next time. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 13:46, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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:The anonymous editor is a monastic friend of mine and something of an expert on ROCOR history. I asked him to help with the article.<br />
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:I think the issue regarding English language stuff is because the ROCOR bishops of the time were mainly in the US but largely not very good with English. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 19:34, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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::I could tell he was an expert. Very helpful. Please thank him for us. And thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 15:14, 17 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== "Sources close to the synod" ==<br />
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In the "Rapprochement" section, recent edits were made with statements based on "sources" close to the synod. Unless these sources can be cited, it's really not much more than rumor. If there's no one on record as saying something, it makes it quite hard to justify inclusion of such material. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:04, May 26, 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Rapprochement with Moscow ==<br />
<br />
I suspect that this section will need a major revision/rewrite once ROCOR and Moscow repair their communion, which is slated to take place on May 17, 2006 in Moscow. The Rapprochement section here could be rewritten as a closed narrative as opposed to an ongoing news event. Certainly there will be a bit more news surrounding the event and the ongoing relations between the two, but as the act of canonical communion becomes a reality and is enacted, I suspect that much on this page will have to be rewritten. What do you all think? {{unsigned|Maximos}}<br />
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: Certainly! Articles should be as up to date as possible. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 10:48, December 29, 2006 (PST)<br />
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== Population ==<br />
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A recent edit quoted a [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html Time Magazine] article, which estimates the ROCOR population at 500k to 1.5m. Since the ROCOR has roughly 400 parishes worldwide, this would put the average parish size at 1250 to 3750. That doesn't seem even remotely realistic to me.<br />
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By contrast, a recent [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 interview] with Archpriest Alexander Lebedev puts the figure at 60k to 100k (an average of 150 to 250 per parish). It seems to me that an official spokesman for the ROCOR being directly interviewed is more to be believed than Time Magazine.<br />
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What do you think? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:43, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== 60,000 to 100,000 ?? ==<br />
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This is an OCA created number. The Russian Church Abroad has always been larger than the OCA. For example, there are 50,000 faithful in New York alone! The closer number is 1.35 million worldwide. The Church lost over 150,000 members in Russia and South America because of its reunion with the Patriarchate.<br />
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Get it right. {{unsigned|Slava}}<br />
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: The 60k to 100k figure comes from [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 an interview with ROCOR spokesman Fr. Alexander Lebedev]. I have my doubts that he gets his jurisdiction's statistics from the OCA. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Fr. Alexander is a good man, but, he is not the official spokesman the Church. He just speaks alot! :) {{unsigned|Slava}}<br />
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::I think the discrepency is that Fr. Alexander was talking about the numbers of people who regularly go to Church, and the larger numbers include people who come to Church when they are hatched, matched, and dispatched. Perhaps some standard should be used that is applied to all jurisdictions, because I think most of them go with the higher numbers which include people who have loose affiliations with the Church. [[User:Frjohnwhiteford|Frjohnwhiteford]] 03:49, May 31, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::It should also be pointed out that Fr. Alexander used the words "possibly" which would indicate he was giving a guesstimate. [[User:Frjohnwhiteford|Frjohnwhiteford]] 03:51, May 31, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: Fr. John, do you know of an officially published ROCOR estimate concerning itself? The problem here is having something reliable to cite. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 05:32, May 31, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== You logic is flawed Fr. Andrei ==<br />
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If you use that average system, then the OCA would only have 85,000 people?? And the Antiochians only 35,000. I know of Antiochian parishes that have only 4 people. Your logic is severely flawed. The ROCOR lists "officially" 500,000 people. The Church does not list the total number of parishes in Russia and the Ukraine (This may change due to the union.) But, it is still hesitant because of Moscow's demands over these parishes which number, nearly 775. Yes, that's right, 775!!! Not all are listed. Only 20 are listed. But in truth the total number is closer to 1.35 million.<br />
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I have seen these parishes with my own eyes. <br />
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The 1.5 million is a number supplied from the Russian government itself. The Church Abroad has always kept these numbers low to protect themselves. <br />
<br />
http://www.dioceseinfo.org/DOCUMENTS/Diocese/commission2.html<br />
http://www.neobyzantine.org/blog/viewtopic.php?p=3793<br />
http://templars.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/putins-reunited-russian-church/<br />
http://action-ukraine-report.blogspot.com/2007/05/aur844-may-18-enduring-crisis-in.html<br />
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The ROCOR Church in Brooklyn was established to care for 11,000 Russians in Brooklyn who expressed interest in starting a church closer to where they live. Several thousand were present for Pascha last year.<br />
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The Cathedral in San Francisco has several thousand as well, these are two parishes (you do the math.) {{unsigned|Slava}}<br />
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: *shrug* I have no idea what you've seen, nor who you are (though I do have some reason to doubt that you've seen all 400 or 775 of ROCOR's parishes). All I know is that the man whom the ROCOR appointed as the secretary of the commission which negotiated the union with the MP said one thing, and an anonymous editor on this wiki is saying another. Fr. Alexander has much more credibility on this matter, methinks.<br />
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: Even Fr. Alexey Young's 1993 history of the ROCOR says that "the figure probably does not exceed 50,000 worldwide" (p. 108). I find it hard to believe that the ROCOR has grown by 1,450,000 people in the 12 years since it was published.<br />
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: The links you post here are interesting, but none are even statements from anyone in the ROCOR. We need verifiable, published statements by authoritative figures for stuff like this, not estimates in news sources, some of which are entirely anonymous. <br />
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: By the way, if you're a Greek, why did you change my name to "Fr. '''Andrei'''"? Heheh. ;) &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 19:24, May 30, 2007 (PDT) (a.k.a. Πάτερ Ανδρέας)<br />
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Sorry its a bad habit. I have many friends in the Russian Church and the Church Abroad, every parish seems to have an "Andrei," it can throw you off. The proper spelling according to the Greek/English variant is "Ohndreas." Of course "Andreas" is a more popular spelling, but linguistically inaccurate. I had a Greek friend who would call himself "Andrei" and would argue with me relentlessly that his name was in fact Greek, I explained it was a "form" of the original Greek. Being a Professor of Linguistics in Ancient Greek, I think I would know better. <br />
--[[User:Slava|Slava]] 10:54, May 31, 2007 (PDT)</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52097Talk:Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T02:08:25Z<p>Slava: /* 60,000 to 100,000 ?? */</p>
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<div>I'm not sure how the Monks of HTM being "English speakers" is germane to becoming responsible for communication and publications. Did they become responsible for '''English language''' material? If so, the article should reflect that. If there is some other link, that should be noted. Otherwise, the clause about them being speakers of English is irrelevant, I think, and should be omitted.<br />
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Many thanks to the anonymous editor who helped with this article. You should consider getting an account so we know whom to thank next time. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 13:46, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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:The anonymous editor is a monastic friend of mine and something of an expert on ROCOR history. I asked him to help with the article.<br />
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:I think the issue regarding English language stuff is because the ROCOR bishops of the time were mainly in the US but largely not very good with English. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 19:34, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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::I could tell he was an expert. Very helpful. Please thank him for us. And thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 15:14, 17 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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== "Sources close to the synod" ==<br />
<br />
In the "Rapprochement" section, recent edits were made with statements based on "sources" close to the synod. Unless these sources can be cited, it's really not much more than rumor. If there's no one on record as saying something, it makes it quite hard to justify inclusion of such material. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:04, May 26, 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Rapprochement with Moscow ==<br />
<br />
I suspect that this section will need a major revision/rewrite once ROCOR and Moscow repair their communion, which is slated to take place on May 17, 2006 in Moscow. The Rapprochement section here could be rewritten as a closed narrative as opposed to an ongoing news event. Certainly there will be a bit more news surrounding the event and the ongoing relations between the two, but as the act of canonical communion becomes a reality and is enacted, I suspect that much on this page will have to be rewritten. What do you all think? {{unsigned|Maximos}}<br />
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: Certainly! Articles should be as up to date as possible. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 10:48, December 29, 2006 (PST)<br />
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== Population ==<br />
<br />
A recent edit quoted a [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html Time Magazine] article, which estimates the ROCOR population at 500k to 1.5m. Since the ROCOR has roughly 400 parishes worldwide, this would put the average parish size at 1250 to 3750. That doesn't seem even remotely realistic to me.<br />
<br />
By contrast, a recent [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 interview] with Archpriest Alexander Lebedev puts the figure at 60k to 100k (an average of 150 to 250 per parish). It seems to me that an official spokesman for the ROCOR being directly interviewed is more to be believed than Time Magazine.<br />
<br />
What do you think? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:43, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== 60,000 to 100,000 ?? ==<br />
<br />
This is an OCA created number. The Russian Church Abroad has always been larger than the OCA. For example, there are 50,000 faithful in New York alone! The closer number is 1.35 million worldwide. The Church lost over 150,000 members in Russia and South America because of its reunion with the Patriarchate.<br />
<br />
Get it right. {{unsigned|Slava}}<br />
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: The 60k to 100k figure comes from [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 an interview with ROCOR spokesman Fr. Alexander Lebedev]. I have my doubts that he gets his jurisdiction's statistics from the OCA. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Fr. Alexander is a good man, but, he is not the official spokesman the Church. He just speaks alot! :)<br />
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== You logic is flawed Fr. Andrei ==<br />
<br />
If you use that average system, then the OCA would only have 85,000 people?? And the Antiochians only 35,000. I know of Antiochian parishes that have only 4 people. Your logic is severely flawed. The ROCOR lists "officially" 500,000 people. The Church does not list the total number of parishes in Russia and the Ukraine (This may change due to the union.) But, it is still hesitant because of Moscow's demands over these parishes which number, nearly 775. Yes, that's right, 775!!! Not all are listed. Only 20 are listed. But in truth the total number is closer to 1.35 million.<br />
<br />
I have seen these parishes with my own eyes. <br />
<br />
The 1.5 million is a number supplied from the Russian government itself. The Church Abroad has always kept these numbers low to protect themselves. <br />
<br />
http://www.dioceseinfo.org/DOCUMENTS/Diocese/commission2.html<br />
http://www.neobyzantine.org/blog/viewtopic.php?p=3793<br />
http://templars.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/putins-reunited-russian-church/<br />
http://action-ukraine-report.blogspot.com/2007/05/aur844-may-18-enduring-crisis-in.html<br />
<br />
The ROCOR Church in Brooklyn was established to care for 11,000 Russians in Brooklyn who expressed interest in starting a church closer to where they live. Several thousand were present for Pascha last year.<br />
<br />
The Cathedral in San Francisco has several thousand as well, these are two parishes (you do the math.)</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52096Talk:Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T02:07:07Z<p>Slava: You logic is flawed Fr. Andrei</p>
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<div>I'm not sure how the Monks of HTM being "English speakers" is germane to becoming responsible for communication and publications. Did they become responsible for '''English language''' material? If so, the article should reflect that. If there is some other link, that should be noted. Otherwise, the clause about them being speakers of English is irrelevant, I think, and should be omitted.<br />
<br />
Many thanks to the anonymous editor who helped with this article. You should consider getting an account so we know whom to thank next time. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 13:46, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
<br />
:The anonymous editor is a monastic friend of mine and something of an expert on ROCOR history. I asked him to help with the article.<br />
<br />
:I think the issue regarding English language stuff is because the ROCOR bishops of the time were mainly in the US but largely not very good with English. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 19:34, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
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::I could tell he was an expert. Very helpful. Please thank him for us. And thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 15:14, 17 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
<br />
== "Sources close to the synod" ==<br />
<br />
In the "Rapprochement" section, recent edits were made with statements based on "sources" close to the synod. Unless these sources can be cited, it's really not much more than rumor. If there's no one on record as saying something, it makes it quite hard to justify inclusion of such material. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:04, May 26, 2006 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Rapprochement with Moscow ==<br />
<br />
I suspect that this section will need a major revision/rewrite once ROCOR and Moscow repair their communion, which is slated to take place on May 17, 2006 in Moscow. The Rapprochement section here could be rewritten as a closed narrative as opposed to an ongoing news event. Certainly there will be a bit more news surrounding the event and the ongoing relations between the two, but as the act of canonical communion becomes a reality and is enacted, I suspect that much on this page will have to be rewritten. What do you all think? {{unsigned|Maximos}}<br />
<br />
: Certainly! Articles should be as up to date as possible. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 10:48, December 29, 2006 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Population ==<br />
<br />
A recent edit quoted a [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html Time Magazine] article, which estimates the ROCOR population at 500k to 1.5m. Since the ROCOR has roughly 400 parishes worldwide, this would put the average parish size at 1250 to 3750. That doesn't seem even remotely realistic to me.<br />
<br />
By contrast, a recent [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 interview] with Archpriest Alexander Lebedev puts the figure at 60k to 100k (an average of 150 to 250 per parish). It seems to me that an official spokesman for the ROCOR being directly interviewed is more to be believed than Time Magazine.<br />
<br />
What do you think? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:43, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== 60,000 to 100,000 ?? ==<br />
<br />
This is an OCA created number. The Russian Church Abroad has always been larger than the OCA. For example, there are 50,000 faithful in New York alone! The closer number is 1.35 million worldwide. The Church lost over 150,000 members in Russia and South America because of its reunion with the Patriarchate.<br />
<br />
Get it right. {{unsigned|Slava}}<br />
<br />
: The 60k to 100k figure comes from [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 an interview with ROCOR spokesman Fr. Alexander Lebedev]. I have my doubts that he gets his jurisdiction's statistics from the OCA. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== You logic is flawed Fr. Andrei ==<br />
<br />
If you use that average system, then the OCA would only have 85,000 people?? And the Antiochians only 35,000. I know of Antiochian parishes that have only 4 people. Your logic is severely flawed. The ROCOR lists "officially" 500,000 people. The Church does not list the total number of parishes in Russia and the Ukraine (This may change due to the union.) But, it is still hesitant because of Moscow's demands over these parishes which number, nearly 775. Yes, that's right, 775!!! Not all are listed. Only 20 are listed. But in truth the total number is closer to 1.35 million.<br />
<br />
I have seen these parishes with my own eyes. <br />
<br />
The 1.5 million is a number supplied from the Russian government itself. The Church Abroad has always kept these numbers low to protect themselves. <br />
<br />
http://www.dioceseinfo.org/DOCUMENTS/Diocese/commission2.html<br />
http://www.neobyzantine.org/blog/viewtopic.php?p=3793<br />
http://templars.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/putins-reunited-russian-church/<br />
http://action-ukraine-report.blogspot.com/2007/05/aur844-may-18-enduring-crisis-in.html<br />
<br />
The ROCOR Church in Brooklyn was established to care for 11,000 Russians in Brooklyn who expressed interest in starting a church closer to where they live. Several thousand were present for Pascha last year.<br />
<br />
The Cathedral in San Francisco has several thousand as well, these are two parishes (you do the math.)</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52092Talk:Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T01:47:09Z<p>Slava: 60,000 to 100,000 ??</p>
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<div>I'm not sure how the Monks of HTM being "English speakers" is germane to becoming responsible for communication and publications. Did they become responsible for '''English language''' material? If so, the article should reflect that. If there is some other link, that should be noted. Otherwise, the clause about them being speakers of English is irrelevant, I think, and should be omitted.<br />
<br />
Many thanks to the anonymous editor who helped with this article. You should consider getting an account so we know whom to thank next time. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 13:46, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
<br />
:The anonymous editor is a monastic friend of mine and something of an expert on ROCOR history. I asked him to help with the article.<br />
<br />
:I think the issue regarding English language stuff is because the ROCOR bishops of the time were mainly in the US but largely not very good with English. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 19:34, 16 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
<br />
::I could tell he was an expert. Very helpful. Please thank him for us. And thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 15:14, 17 Jan 2005 (CST)<br />
<br />
== "Sources close to the synod" ==<br />
<br />
In the "Rapprochement" section, recent edits were made with statements based on "sources" close to the synod. Unless these sources can be cited, it's really not much more than rumor. If there's no one on record as saying something, it makes it quite hard to justify inclusion of such material. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:04, May 26, 2006 (CDT)<br />
<br />
== Rapprochement with Moscow ==<br />
<br />
I suspect that this section will need a major revision/rewrite once ROCOR and Moscow repair their communion, which is slated to take place on May 17, 2006 in Moscow. The Rapprochement section here could be rewritten as a closed narrative as opposed to an ongoing news event. Certainly there will be a bit more news surrounding the event and the ongoing relations between the two, but as the act of canonical communion becomes a reality and is enacted, I suspect that much on this page will have to be rewritten. What do you all think? {{unsigned|Maximos}}<br />
<br />
: Certainly! Articles should be as up to date as possible. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 10:48, December 29, 2006 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Population ==<br />
<br />
A recent edit quoted a [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html Time Magazine] article, which estimates the ROCOR population at 500k to 1.5m. Since the ROCOR has roughly 400 parishes worldwide, this would put the average parish size at 1250 to 3750. That doesn't seem even remotely realistic to me.<br />
<br />
By contrast, a recent [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=interview&div=51 interview] with Archpriest Alexander Lebedev puts the figure at 60k to 100k (an average of 150 to 250 per parish). It seems to me that an official spokesman for the ROCOR being directly interviewed is more to be believed than Time Magazine.<br />
<br />
What do you think? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:43, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== 60,000 to 100,000 ?? ==<br />
<br />
This is an OCA created number. The Russian Church Abroad has always been larger than the OCA. For example, there are 50,000 faithful in New York alone! The closer number is 1.35 million worldwide. The Church lost over 150,000 members in Russia and South America because of its reunion with the Patriarchate.<br />
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Get it right.</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Orthodoxy_in_Hawaii&diff=52088Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii2007-05-31T01:43:30Z<p>Slava: /* "Jurisdictionalism" section */</p>
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<div>=="Jurisdictionalism" section==<br />
I've commented out this section. Here's the text as it was:<br />
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:Up until the 1960s, the Russian Orthodox Church held canonical jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Islands. After the 1960s, three seperate Orthodox jurisdictions established themselves in the Islands; Greek, Serbian, and OCA. At one point there were as many as five different Orthodox jurisdictions in the Hawaiian Islands. For more information on the sin of Jurisdictionalism, [http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gen_america.aspx click here], and [http://members5.boardhost.com/STANDREWHOUSE/msg/1153963172.top here].<br />
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The problem with this wording is that it presumes a certain POV (i.e., Russian). It's certainly not the case that the other Orthodox churches regarded Hawaii as canonically belonging to Russia. Perhaps this section could be worded simply to state that up until the 1960s, the Russians had the only presence there, regarding the territory as canonically theirs, then other jurisdictions established a presence there. Regarding the "sin of Jurisdictionalism," a link to the [[diaspora]] article should suffice. <br />
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Thoughts? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 17:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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What makes you think that I am Russian?? I am a member of the Greek Church and have been all my life??<br />
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== Good idea ==<br />
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I realize that we must be politically correct on this forum. Holy Fathers help us! "Politically correct Orthodox Christians."<br />
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The article flows a little better as well. The links are wonderful links, with a variety of sources and ideas and points of view; Fr. Seraphim Rose, St. Nikolai Velimirovich, Fr. Alexander Schmemmann, etc.. <br />
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What do you think?<br />
Ang.<br />
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: Well, it's not really a question of "political correctness," but rather of keeping to the [[NPOV|neutrality]] appropriate for an encyclopedia and in keeping with [[NPOV|OrthodoxWiki policy]]. It's worded better now, though I'm going to replace the external links with internal ones (which is also the preference). &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 18:13, May 30, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Much Better ==<br />
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Much better.. You're good at this!<br />
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Ang.</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52087Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T01:37:06Z<p>Slava: </p>
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<div>{{diocese|<br />
name=Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia|<br />
jurisdiction=[[Church of Russia|Russia]] |<br />
type=Semi-autonomous|<br />
founded=1922|<br />
bishop=[[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Metr. Laurus]]|<br />
see=New York|<br />
hq=New York, New York|<br />
territory=United States, worldwide|<br />
language=[[Church Slavonic]], English, German|<br />
music=[[Russian Chant]]|<br />
calendar=[[Julian Calendar|Julian]]|<br />
population=500,000 to 1.5 million [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html]|<br />
website=[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/indexeng.htm ROCOR]<br />
}}<br />
The '''Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia''' (also called the ''Russian Orthodox Church Abroad'', ''ROCA'', ''ROCOR'', ''the Karlovsty Synod'', or ''the Synod'') is a semi-[[autonomy|autonomous]] [[jurisdiction]] of the [[Moscow Patriarchate]] originally formed in response against the policy of Bolsheviks with respect to religion in the Soviet Union soon after the Russian Revolution. The ROCOR exists alongside previously existing diocese of the Moscow Patriarchate throughout the [[diaspora]].<br />
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==History==<br />
===Formation and early years===<br />
In 1920, the Soviet government had revealed that it was quite hostile to the [[Church of Russia|Russian Orthodox Church]]. Saint [[Tikhon of Moscow|Tikhon]], Patriarch of Moscow, issued an ''[[Ukaz No. 362|ukaz]]'' (decree) that all Russian Orthodox Christians abroad currently under the authority and protection of his Patriarchate organize and govern themselves independently of the Mother Church, until such time that the Patriarchate would again be free.<br />
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Among most Russian [[bishop]]s and other hierarchs, this was interpreted as an authorization to form an emergency [[synod]] of all Russian Orthodox hierarchs to permit the Church to continue to function outside Russia and provide spiritual care for nearly three million Russian emigres.To add urgency to the synod's motives, in May of 1922, the Soviet government proclaimed its own "[[Living Church]]" as a "reform" of the [[Church of Russia|Russian Orthodox Church]].<br />
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On [[September 13]], 1922, Russian Orthodox hierarchs in Serbia gave their blessing to the establishment, in Serbia, of a Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Abroad, the foundation of ROCOR. In November of 1922, Russian Orthodox in North America held a synod and elected Metropolitan [[Platon (Rozhdestvensky) of New York|Platon]] as the primate of an autonomous Russian exarchate in the Americas (also known as the ''Metropolia'', which eventually became the [[Orthodox Church in America]]). Although the hierarchs of the Metropolia participated as full equals in the Synod Abroad, eventually a three-way conflict in the United States erupted between the patriarchal exarchate, ROCOR (sometimes known as "the Synod" in this period), and the [[Living Church]], which asserted that it was the legitimate (i.e., Russian-government-recognized) owner of all Orthodox properties in the USA. (See: [[ROCOR and OCA]])<br />
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===The Church of the Refugees (1922-1991)===<br />
{{orthodoxyinamerica}}<br />
In 1927, ROCOR declared "The part of the Russian Church that finds itself abroad considers itself an inseparable, spiritually united branch of the Great Russian Church. It does not separate itself from its Mother Church and does not consider itself autocephalous," indicating that ROCOR considered itself to speak for all of the Russian Orthodox outside of Russia. The Church Abroad also considered itself to be the free voice of the enslaved Mother Church in the Soviet Union.<br />
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After the end of World War II, the [[Church of Russia|Patriarchate of Moscow]] broached the possibility of reunification between Moscow and ROCOR, presumably at the behest of the Soviet government, which had adopted a more conciliatory attitude towards religion during the war and was presumably trying to capitalize on its wartime alliances to win a more respectable position internationally. This was not deemed possible at that time by ROCOR, given that Russia was still under communist dictatorship and the Church was still persecuted and controlled by the atheist authorities.<br />
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===Holy Transfiguration Monastery and ROCOR===<br />
In the 1960s, ROCOR took under its care [[Holy Transfiguration Monastery (Brookline, Massachusetts)]] (today the principal [[monastery]] of [[HOCNA]]) after the latter had broken communion from the [[Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America]] following sexual abuse scandals regarding the monastery's leadership. At some point later, they gradually assumed responsibility for much of ROCOR's external communications and publications. (The monks of Holy Transfiguration were English-speaking and the ROCOR bishops in America mainly were not.)<br />
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It is believed by many that the allegedly sectarian spirit of ROCOR came into its flowering during this time and under the influence of this monastery, which frequently misrepresented the official policies and views of the Synod of Bishops. In the early 1980s the hierarchs of the Synod began to correct and censor the narrow-minded and incorrect views of the followers of Holy Transfiguration Monastery. Subsequently this group broke communion with ROCOR (again regarding allegations of sexual abuse by the monastery's leadership), styling themselves the [[HOCNA|Holy Orthodox Church in North America]] (HOCNA). They became affiliated with the [[True Orthodox Church of Greece]], a Greek Old Calendarist group which broke from the [[Church of Greece]]. According to Fr. Alexey Young (author of ''The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia: A History and Chronology''), the association of ROCOR and Holy Transfiguration Monastery resulted in deep damage to ROCOR.<br />
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===After the Soviet fall===<br />
Since the end of the Soviet Union, ROCOR maintained its independence from the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]] on the grounds that the Church inside Russia had been unacceptably compromised. Some accusations went so far as to claim that the entire hierarchy within Russia were active KGB agents. ROCOR also attempted to set up missions in post-Soviet Russia.<br />
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This did not prevent all communication, however. For many years there had been unofficial and warm contacts between the two groups. In 2001, the Synod of the Patriarchate of Moscow and ROCOR exchanged formal correspondence. The Muscovite letter held the position that previous and current separation was over purely political matters. ROCOR's response expressed concern over continued Muscovite involvement in [[ecumenism]], which was seen as compromising Moscow's Orthodoxy. Nevertheless, this was far more friendly discourse than had been seen previously.<br />
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After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia continued to establish itself in its homeland. It now has about 100 worshiping communities in Russia and other countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States. Currently four bishops oversee these parishes. Two of them broke with Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York|Vitaly]] in New York in April 1994. They founded their own temporary administration called the ''Free Orthodox Church of Russia'' and ordained three additional bishops. They were reconciled in November 1994, and the ordination of the three new bishops was declared invalid. However, some tensions remain.<br />
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===Rapprochement with Moscow===<br />
[[Image:Laurus alexii signing.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The signing of the Act of Canonical Communion by Patr. Alexey II and Metr. Laurus]]<br />
Since the election of Metropolitan [[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Laurus]] as First Hierarch of ROCOR in 2001, a steady process of rapprochement occurred between ROCOR and the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. Multiple official visits have been exchanged between hierarchs and other clergy of both churches, and the date for restoration of [[full communion]] was officially announced by both sides. [http://www.antiochian.org.au/content/view/587/6/]<br />
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In October 2001 Patriarch [[Alexei II (Ridiger) of Moscow|Alexei II]] and the [[Holy Synod]] of the Moscow Patriarchate sent a letter to the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia calling for reconciliation, but without success. However, there was mutual recognition of grace in the sacraments of each church. Then, in November 2003, a delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia consisting of three bishops and two priests paid an official visit to the Moscow Patriarchate. This signaled a warming in relations, and in May 2004 for the first time since the foundation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, the First Hierarch of ROCOR, Metropolitan Laurus, visited Moscow and met with Patriarch Alexei. The two church leaders established a joint committee to examine ways to overcome the division between their churches. This committee met successfully on several occasions, working out the details of intercommunion between the two Church bodies.<br />
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This possibility of rapprochement led to a small [[schism]] from ROCOR, taking the self-retired Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York|Vitaly]] (Metropolitan Laurus's predecessor) with it (regarded by many in ROCOR as having been abducted by the schismatics). The resultant body refers to itself as the ''[[Russian Orthodox Church in Exile]]'' (ROCE/ROCiE), though it often still uses the ''ROCOR'' name. A few other communities have also broken off from ROCOR, some joining with Greek [[Old Calendarists|Old Calendarist]] groups.<br />
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On [[June 21]], 2005, it was announced simultaneously by both the ROCOR and the MP on their respective websites that rapprochement talks were leading toward the resumption of full relations between the ROCOR and the MP and that the ROCOR would be given the status of [[autonomy]].[http://www.mospat.ru/text/e_news/id/9553.html][http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/articles/docs.html]<br />
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In May 2006, the ROCOR met in its IV All-Diaspora Council, which was held at Most Holy Theotokos Joy of All Who Sorrow Cathedral in San Francisco, California. The council consisted of clergy and lay delegates from all dioceses of the ROCOR, and adopted a resolution, expressing "great hope that in the appropriate time, the unity of the Russian Church will be restored upon the foundation of the Truth of Christ, opening for us the possibility to serve together and to commune from one Chalice."[http://www.sobor2006.com/more2.php?id=99_0_3_0_M45] <br />
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Following the IV All-Diaspora Council, the Council of Bishops of the ROCOR was held. According to sources close to the council, it generally agreed with the text of the proposed "Act of Canonical Unity," but remitted it back to the Committee for Dialogue with the Moscow Patriarchate to rework certain aspects of the document.{{citation}} The exact nature of the elements to be worked out is unclear, but, according to sources close to the Synod of Bishops, involves, among other things, property issues in the Holy Land.{{citation}} <br />
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On September 6, 2006 The Synod of Bishops of ROCOR decreed their confirmation and approval of the revised Act of Canonical Unity and instructed the Commission on Discussion with the Moscow Patriarchate to work jointly with the Moscow Patriarchate to work out details of the official signing of the Act. [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/9enaktko.html] Subsequently on September 11, 2006 The Synod of Bishops of ROCOR published on ROCOR's website a clarification of their decision to confirm and approve the Act. [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/9enaktexplanantion.html] Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia acknowledged the work of the commissions and declared that the act of reunification, while moving in the right direction, will take time. [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=1977]<br />
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Both the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia published on their respective websites the final full text of the Act of Canonical Unity [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enmat_akt.html] with all relevant supporting documents [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enmat_addendum.html] [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/11ensummation.html] on November 1, 2006. The Act having been approved by both the Moscow Patriarchate and ROCOR, it was formally signed in Moscow on May 17, 2007, followed by a concelebration of the Divine Liturgy, bringing the ROCOR into the Moscow Patriarchate.<br />
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===ROCOR Today===<br />
ROCOR currently has over 400 [[parish]]es as well as [[monastery|monasteries]] for men and women in 40 countries throughout the world, served by nearly 600 [[priest]]s. In North America, it has approximately 133 parishes in the US and 22 in Canada. There are five ROCOR communities in the United Kingdom and 21 in [[Diocese of Australia and New Zealand (ROCOR)|Australia and New Zealand]]. There are also roughly 100 communities which owe allegiance to ROCOR in Russia and the other nations of the former Soviet Union.<br />
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There are five ROCOR monasteries for men and women in North America, the most important and largest of which is [[Holy Trinity Monastery (Jordanville, New York)]], to which is attached ROCOR's seminary, [[Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary (Jordanville, New York)|Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary]].<br />
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In concert with the [[Church of Jerusalem]], ROCOR also oversees the [http://www.jerusalem-mission.org/ Russian Ecclesiastical Mission in Jerusalem], headed by Hegumen Andronik (Kotliaroff), which acts as caretaker to three holy sites in Palestine, all of which are monasteries.<br />
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==Ecclesiastical status before 2007==<br />
Until the reconciliation with Moscow in 2007, the ROCOR was currently still in ambiguously relative [[Eucharist]]ic isolation from much of the Orthodox world, not always exchanging [[full communion]] with the majority of Orthodox [[jurisdiction]]s. It maintained good relations, intercommunion, and [[concelebration]] with the [[Church of Serbia]], the [[Church of Jerusalem]], and the [[Church of Sinai]].<br />
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Before the reconciliation, ROCOR's status with regard to [[full communion]] was not entirely clear-cut. There was never a formal declaration of a break in communion made between ROCOR and most other Orthodox churches, though in many dioceses [[concelebration]] had been suspended. In others, concelebration was active. A formal declaration of breaking communion with the OCA was issued by the ROCOR Synod after the Moscow Patriarchate issued the Tomos of Autocephaly to the OCA. (See: [[ROCOR and OCA]].) Generally Orthodox Christians from all local Orthodox churches were welcome to the chalice in ROCOR churches. There was never a declaration from the ROCOR synod that grace did not exist in the [[New Calendar]] jurisdictions, in spite of statements to the contrary by the followers of Holy Transfiguation Monastery in Boston when they were still with the Synod.<br />
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ROCOR formerly maintained communion with a few [[Old Calendarist]] jurisdictions, including the [[Holy Synod in Resistance]] (True Orthodox Church of Greece, so-called "Cyprianites"), the [[Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Romania]] (Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie), and the [[Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria]] (Bishop Photii). In 2006, communion with the [[Holy Synod in Resistance]] was suspended, after the ROCOR Synod received a letter from Metropolitan Cyprial of Oropos and Fili stating that Metropolitan Laurus' name had been "struck from the diptych." [http://www.synod.com/synod/eng2006/2ensynodmeeting.html] The ROCOR still maintains communion with the Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie and with Bishop Photii of Triaditza. Many of the clergy and the faithful of ROCOR believe the Cyprianites to be [[schism]]atics and that [[concelebration]]s with them should be severed, though this attitude does not extend to the Old Calendarist jurisdictions of Romania and Bulgaria.<br />
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As of 2007, with the reconciliation with Moscow, the ROCOR is now in communion with [[List of autocephalous and autonomous churches|all of mainstream Orthodoxy]] by virtue of its incorporation into the Moscow Patriarchate.<br />
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==The Episcopacy==<br />
The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia currently has 13 [[bishop]]s serving 11 [[diocese]]s throughout the world.<br />
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Ruling bishops:<br />
* Metropolitan [[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Laurus (Skurla)]] of New York and Eastern America, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, Ruling Bishop of the Syracuse-Holy Trinity Diocese, ''[[Locum Tenens]]'' of the Eastern part of the Diocese of Montreal and Canada<br />
* Archbishop [[Alypy (Gamanovich) of Chicago|Alypy (Gamanovich)]] of Chicago and Mid-America<br />
* Archbishop [[Mark (Arndt) of Berlin|Mark (Arndt)]] of Berlin, Germany and of Great Britain<br />
* Archbishop [[Hilarion (Kapral) of Sydney|Hilarion (Kapral)]] of Sydney, [[Diocese of Australia and New Zealand (ROCOR)|Australia and New Zealand]]<br />
* Archbishop [[Kyrill (Dmitrieff) of San Francisco|Kyrill (Dmitrieff)]] of San Francisco and Western America, Locum Tenens of the Western part of the Diocese of Montreal and Canada<br />
* Bishop [[Evtikhii (Kurochkin) of Ishim|Evtikhii (Kurochkin)]] of Ishim and Siberia<br />
* Bishop [[Agafangel (Pashkovsky) of Simferopol|Agafangel (Pashkovsky)]] of Odessa and the Crimea<br />
* Bishop [[Michael (Donskoff) of Geneva|Michael (Donskoff)]] of Geneva and Western Europe<br />
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Vicar bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Daniel (Alexandrow) of Erie|Daniel (Alexandrow)]] of Erie, Vicar of the President of the Synod of Bishops for the service of Old Believers<br />
* Bishop [[Gabriel (Chemodakov) of Manhattan|Gabriel (Chemodakov)]] of Manhattan, Vicar Bishop of the Eastern American and New York Diocese<br />
* Bishop [[Agapit (Gorachek) of Stuttgart|Agapit (Gorachek)]] of Stuttgart, Vicar of the German Diocese<br />
* Bishop [[Peter (Loukianoff) of Cleveland|Peter (Loukianoff)]] of Cleveland, Vicar of the Chicago Diocese<br />
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Retired bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Ambrose (Cantacuzène) of Geneva|Ambrose (Cantacuzène)]], Retired, formerly of Geneva and Western Europe<br />
* Bishop [[Varnava (Prokofiev) of Cannes|Varnava (Prokofiev)]], Retired, formerly of Cannes, Vicar for the Western European diocese<br />
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Former bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Alexander (Mileant) of Buenos Aires|Alexander (Mileant)]] of Buenos Aires and South America (reposed [[September 13]], 2005 [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/news05/balexdeath.html])<br />
* Bishop [[Mitrophan (Znosko-Borovsky) of Boston]], reposed February 15, 2002.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[ROCOR and OCA]]<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/ Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (Official site, Russian)<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/indexeng.htm Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (Official site, English)<br />
*[http://www.roca.org/ ROCA: A collection of Russian Orthodox Materials] (Unofficial site)<br />
*[http://www.cnewa.org/ecc-bodypg.aspx?eccpageID=49&IndexView=toc The Eastern Christian Churches: The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (by Ronald Roberson, CSP, a Roman Catholic priest and scholar)<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/roca_history.aspx History of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad], by St. [[John Maximovitch]]<br />
*[http://gnisios.narod.ru/bisrocor.html Bishops of the ROCOR]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/articles/svassasobor.htm "Glory be to God, Who Did Not Abandon His Church": The Self-Awareness of ROCOR at the Third All-Diaspora Council of 1974], by Nun Vassa (Larin)<br />
<!--- * [http://www.pravos.org/index.htm Commission Dialogue Moscow Patriarchate-Church outside Russia] ---><br />
*[http://www.sobor2006.com/ IV All-Diaspora Council] (official site)<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Moscow Patriarchate Dioceses]]</div>Slavahttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_Outside_Russia&diff=52085Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia2007-05-31T01:35:35Z<p>Slava: </p>
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<div>{{diocese|<br />
name=Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia|<br />
jurisdiction=[[Church of Russia|Russia]] |<br />
type=Semi-autonomous|<br />
founded=1922|<br />
bishop=[[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Metr. Laurus]]|<br />
see=New York|<br />
hq=New York, New York|<br />
territory=United States, worldwide|<br />
language=[[Church Slavonic]], English, German|<br />
music=[[Russian Chant]]|<br />
calendar=[[Julian Calendar|Julian]]|<br />
population=500,000 to 1.5 million [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1622544,00.html Time Magazine]|<br />
website=[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/indexeng.htm ROCOR]<br />
}}<br />
The '''Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia''' (also called the ''Russian Orthodox Church Abroad'', ''ROCA'', ''ROCOR'', ''the Karlovsty Synod'', or ''the Synod'') is a semi-[[autonomy|autonomous]] [[jurisdiction]] of the [[Moscow Patriarchate]] originally formed in response against the policy of Bolsheviks with respect to religion in the Soviet Union soon after the Russian Revolution. The ROCOR exists alongside previously existing diocese of the Moscow Patriarchate throughout the [[diaspora]].<br />
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==History==<br />
===Formation and early years===<br />
In 1920, the Soviet government had revealed that it was quite hostile to the [[Church of Russia|Russian Orthodox Church]]. Saint [[Tikhon of Moscow|Tikhon]], Patriarch of Moscow, issued an ''[[Ukaz No. 362|ukaz]]'' (decree) that all Russian Orthodox Christians abroad currently under the authority and protection of his Patriarchate organize and govern themselves independently of the Mother Church, until such time that the Patriarchate would again be free.<br />
<br />
Among most Russian [[bishop]]s and other hierarchs, this was interpreted as an authorization to form an emergency [[synod]] of all Russian Orthodox hierarchs to permit the Church to continue to function outside Russia and provide spiritual care for nearly three million Russian emigres.To add urgency to the synod's motives, in May of 1922, the Soviet government proclaimed its own "[[Living Church]]" as a "reform" of the [[Church of Russia|Russian Orthodox Church]].<br />
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On [[September 13]], 1922, Russian Orthodox hierarchs in Serbia gave their blessing to the establishment, in Serbia, of a Synod of Bishops of the Russian Church Abroad, the foundation of ROCOR. In November of 1922, Russian Orthodox in North America held a synod and elected Metropolitan [[Platon (Rozhdestvensky) of New York|Platon]] as the primate of an autonomous Russian exarchate in the Americas (also known as the ''Metropolia'', which eventually became the [[Orthodox Church in America]]). Although the hierarchs of the Metropolia participated as full equals in the Synod Abroad, eventually a three-way conflict in the United States erupted between the patriarchal exarchate, ROCOR (sometimes known as "the Synod" in this period), and the [[Living Church]], which asserted that it was the legitimate (i.e., Russian-government-recognized) owner of all Orthodox properties in the USA. (See: [[ROCOR and OCA]])<br />
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===The Church of the Refugees (1922-1991)===<br />
{{orthodoxyinamerica}}<br />
In 1927, ROCOR declared "The part of the Russian Church that finds itself abroad considers itself an inseparable, spiritually united branch of the Great Russian Church. It does not separate itself from its Mother Church and does not consider itself autocephalous," indicating that ROCOR considered itself to speak for all of the Russian Orthodox outside of Russia. The Church Abroad also considered itself to be the free voice of the enslaved Mother Church in the Soviet Union.<br />
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After the end of World War II, the [[Church of Russia|Patriarchate of Moscow]] broached the possibility of reunification between Moscow and ROCOR, presumably at the behest of the Soviet government, which had adopted a more conciliatory attitude towards religion during the war and was presumably trying to capitalize on its wartime alliances to win a more respectable position internationally. This was not deemed possible at that time by ROCOR, given that Russia was still under communist dictatorship and the Church was still persecuted and controlled by the atheist authorities.<br />
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===Holy Transfiguration Monastery and ROCOR===<br />
In the 1960s, ROCOR took under its care [[Holy Transfiguration Monastery (Brookline, Massachusetts)]] (today the principal [[monastery]] of [[HOCNA]]) after the latter had broken communion from the [[Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America]] following sexual abuse scandals regarding the monastery's leadership. At some point later, they gradually assumed responsibility for much of ROCOR's external communications and publications. (The monks of Holy Transfiguration were English-speaking and the ROCOR bishops in America mainly were not.)<br />
<br />
It is believed by many that the allegedly sectarian spirit of ROCOR came into its flowering during this time and under the influence of this monastery, which frequently misrepresented the official policies and views of the Synod of Bishops. In the early 1980s the hierarchs of the Synod began to correct and censor the narrow-minded and incorrect views of the followers of Holy Transfiguration Monastery. Subsequently this group broke communion with ROCOR (again regarding allegations of sexual abuse by the monastery's leadership), styling themselves the [[HOCNA|Holy Orthodox Church in North America]] (HOCNA). They became affiliated with the [[True Orthodox Church of Greece]], a Greek Old Calendarist group which broke from the [[Church of Greece]]. According to Fr. Alexey Young (author of ''The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia: A History and Chronology''), the association of ROCOR and Holy Transfiguration Monastery resulted in deep damage to ROCOR.<br />
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===After the Soviet fall===<br />
Since the end of the Soviet Union, ROCOR maintained its independence from the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]] on the grounds that the Church inside Russia had been unacceptably compromised. Some accusations went so far as to claim that the entire hierarchy within Russia were active KGB agents. ROCOR also attempted to set up missions in post-Soviet Russia.<br />
<br />
This did not prevent all communication, however. For many years there had been unofficial and warm contacts between the two groups. In 2001, the Synod of the Patriarchate of Moscow and ROCOR exchanged formal correspondence. The Muscovite letter held the position that previous and current separation was over purely political matters. ROCOR's response expressed concern over continued Muscovite involvement in [[ecumenism]], which was seen as compromising Moscow's Orthodoxy. Nevertheless, this was far more friendly discourse than had been seen previously.<br />
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After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia continued to establish itself in its homeland. It now has about 100 worshiping communities in Russia and other countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States. Currently four bishops oversee these parishes. Two of them broke with Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York|Vitaly]] in New York in April 1994. They founded their own temporary administration called the ''Free Orthodox Church of Russia'' and ordained three additional bishops. They were reconciled in November 1994, and the ordination of the three new bishops was declared invalid. However, some tensions remain.<br />
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===Rapprochement with Moscow===<br />
[[Image:Laurus alexii signing.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The signing of the Act of Canonical Communion by Patr. Alexey II and Metr. Laurus]]<br />
Since the election of Metropolitan [[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Laurus]] as First Hierarch of ROCOR in 2001, a steady process of rapprochement occurred between ROCOR and the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. Multiple official visits have been exchanged between hierarchs and other clergy of both churches, and the date for restoration of [[full communion]] was officially announced by both sides. [http://www.antiochian.org.au/content/view/587/6/]<br />
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In October 2001 Patriarch [[Alexei II (Ridiger) of Moscow|Alexei II]] and the [[Holy Synod]] of the Moscow Patriarchate sent a letter to the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia calling for reconciliation, but without success. However, there was mutual recognition of grace in the sacraments of each church. Then, in November 2003, a delegation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia consisting of three bishops and two priests paid an official visit to the Moscow Patriarchate. This signaled a warming in relations, and in May 2004 for the first time since the foundation of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, the First Hierarch of ROCOR, Metropolitan Laurus, visited Moscow and met with Patriarch Alexei. The two church leaders established a joint committee to examine ways to overcome the division between their churches. This committee met successfully on several occasions, working out the details of intercommunion between the two Church bodies.<br />
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This possibility of rapprochement led to a small [[schism]] from ROCOR, taking the self-retired Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York|Vitaly]] (Metropolitan Laurus's predecessor) with it (regarded by many in ROCOR as having been abducted by the schismatics). The resultant body refers to itself as the ''[[Russian Orthodox Church in Exile]]'' (ROCE/ROCiE), though it often still uses the ''ROCOR'' name. A few other communities have also broken off from ROCOR, some joining with Greek [[Old Calendarists|Old Calendarist]] groups.<br />
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On [[June 21]], 2005, it was announced simultaneously by both the ROCOR and the MP on their respective websites that rapprochement talks were leading toward the resumption of full relations between the ROCOR and the MP and that the ROCOR would be given the status of [[autonomy]].[http://www.mospat.ru/text/e_news/id/9553.html][http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/articles/docs.html]<br />
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In May 2006, the ROCOR met in its IV All-Diaspora Council, which was held at Most Holy Theotokos Joy of All Who Sorrow Cathedral in San Francisco, California. The council consisted of clergy and lay delegates from all dioceses of the ROCOR, and adopted a resolution, expressing "great hope that in the appropriate time, the unity of the Russian Church will be restored upon the foundation of the Truth of Christ, opening for us the possibility to serve together and to commune from one Chalice."[http://www.sobor2006.com/more2.php?id=99_0_3_0_M45] <br />
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Following the IV All-Diaspora Council, the Council of Bishops of the ROCOR was held. According to sources close to the council, it generally agreed with the text of the proposed "Act of Canonical Unity," but remitted it back to the Committee for Dialogue with the Moscow Patriarchate to rework certain aspects of the document.{{citation}} The exact nature of the elements to be worked out is unclear, but, according to sources close to the Synod of Bishops, involves, among other things, property issues in the Holy Land.{{citation}} <br />
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On September 6, 2006 The Synod of Bishops of ROCOR decreed their confirmation and approval of the revised Act of Canonical Unity and instructed the Commission on Discussion with the Moscow Patriarchate to work jointly with the Moscow Patriarchate to work out details of the official signing of the Act. [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/9enaktko.html] Subsequently on September 11, 2006 The Synod of Bishops of ROCOR published on ROCOR's website a clarification of their decision to confirm and approve the Act. [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/9enaktexplanantion.html] Patriarch Alexy II of Moscow and All Russia acknowledged the work of the commissions and declared that the act of reunification, while moving in the right direction, will take time. [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=1977]<br />
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Both the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia published on their respective websites the final full text of the Act of Canonical Unity [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enmat_akt.html] with all relevant supporting documents [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/engdocuments/enmat_addendum.html] [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/11ensummation.html] on November 1, 2006. The Act having been approved by both the Moscow Patriarchate and ROCOR, it was formally signed in Moscow on May 17, 2007, followed by a concelebration of the Divine Liturgy, bringing the ROCOR into the Moscow Patriarchate.<br />
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===ROCOR Today===<br />
ROCOR currently has over 400 [[parish]]es as well as [[monastery|monasteries]] for men and women in 40 countries throughout the world, served by nearly 600 [[priest]]s. In North America, it has approximately 133 parishes in the US and 22 in Canada. There are five ROCOR communities in the United Kingdom and 21 in [[Diocese of Australia and New Zealand (ROCOR)|Australia and New Zealand]]. There are also roughly 100 communities which owe allegiance to ROCOR in Russia and the other nations of the former Soviet Union.<br />
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There are five ROCOR monasteries for men and women in North America, the most important and largest of which is [[Holy Trinity Monastery (Jordanville, New York)]], to which is attached ROCOR's seminary, [[Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary (Jordanville, New York)|Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary]].<br />
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In concert with the [[Church of Jerusalem]], ROCOR also oversees the [http://www.jerusalem-mission.org/ Russian Ecclesiastical Mission in Jerusalem], headed by Hegumen Andronik (Kotliaroff), which acts as caretaker to three holy sites in Palestine, all of which are monasteries.<br />
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==Ecclesiastical status before 2007==<br />
Until the reconciliation with Moscow in 2007, the ROCOR was currently still in ambiguously relative [[Eucharist]]ic isolation from much of the Orthodox world, not always exchanging [[full communion]] with the majority of Orthodox [[jurisdiction]]s. It maintained good relations, intercommunion, and [[concelebration]] with the [[Church of Serbia]], the [[Church of Jerusalem]], and the [[Church of Sinai]].<br />
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Before the reconciliation, ROCOR's status with regard to [[full communion]] was not entirely clear-cut. There was never a formal declaration of a break in communion made between ROCOR and most other Orthodox churches, though in many dioceses [[concelebration]] had been suspended. In others, concelebration was active. A formal declaration of breaking communion with the OCA was issued by the ROCOR Synod after the Moscow Patriarchate issued the Tomos of Autocephaly to the OCA. (See: [[ROCOR and OCA]].) Generally Orthodox Christians from all local Orthodox churches were welcome to the chalice in ROCOR churches. There was never a declaration from the ROCOR synod that grace did not exist in the [[New Calendar]] jurisdictions, in spite of statements to the contrary by the followers of Holy Transfiguation Monastery in Boston when they were still with the Synod.<br />
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ROCOR formerly maintained communion with a few [[Old Calendarist]] jurisdictions, including the [[Holy Synod in Resistance]] (True Orthodox Church of Greece, so-called "Cyprianites"), the [[Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Romania]] (Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie), and the [[Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria]] (Bishop Photii). In 2006, communion with the [[Holy Synod in Resistance]] was suspended, after the ROCOR Synod received a letter from Metropolitan Cyprial of Oropos and Fili stating that Metropolitan Laurus' name had been "struck from the diptych." [http://www.synod.com/synod/eng2006/2ensynodmeeting.html] The ROCOR still maintains communion with the Synod of Metropolitan Vlasie and with Bishop Photii of Triaditza. Many of the clergy and the faithful of ROCOR believe the Cyprianites to be [[schism]]atics and that [[concelebration]]s with them should be severed, though this attitude does not extend to the Old Calendarist jurisdictions of Romania and Bulgaria.<br />
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As of 2007, with the reconciliation with Moscow, the ROCOR is now in communion with [[List of autocephalous and autonomous churches|all of mainstream Orthodoxy]] by virtue of its incorporation into the Moscow Patriarchate.<br />
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==The Episcopacy==<br />
The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia currently has 13 [[bishop]]s serving 11 [[diocese]]s throughout the world.<br />
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Ruling bishops:<br />
* Metropolitan [[Laurus (Skurla) of New York|Laurus (Skurla)]] of New York and Eastern America, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, Ruling Bishop of the Syracuse-Holy Trinity Diocese, ''[[Locum Tenens]]'' of the Eastern part of the Diocese of Montreal and Canada<br />
* Archbishop [[Alypy (Gamanovich) of Chicago|Alypy (Gamanovich)]] of Chicago and Mid-America<br />
* Archbishop [[Mark (Arndt) of Berlin|Mark (Arndt)]] of Berlin, Germany and of Great Britain<br />
* Archbishop [[Hilarion (Kapral) of Sydney|Hilarion (Kapral)]] of Sydney, [[Diocese of Australia and New Zealand (ROCOR)|Australia and New Zealand]]<br />
* Archbishop [[Kyrill (Dmitrieff) of San Francisco|Kyrill (Dmitrieff)]] of San Francisco and Western America, Locum Tenens of the Western part of the Diocese of Montreal and Canada<br />
* Bishop [[Evtikhii (Kurochkin) of Ishim|Evtikhii (Kurochkin)]] of Ishim and Siberia<br />
* Bishop [[Agafangel (Pashkovsky) of Simferopol|Agafangel (Pashkovsky)]] of Odessa and the Crimea<br />
* Bishop [[Michael (Donskoff) of Geneva|Michael (Donskoff)]] of Geneva and Western Europe<br />
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Vicar bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Daniel (Alexandrow) of Erie|Daniel (Alexandrow)]] of Erie, Vicar of the President of the Synod of Bishops for the service of Old Believers<br />
* Bishop [[Gabriel (Chemodakov) of Manhattan|Gabriel (Chemodakov)]] of Manhattan, Vicar Bishop of the Eastern American and New York Diocese<br />
* Bishop [[Agapit (Gorachek) of Stuttgart|Agapit (Gorachek)]] of Stuttgart, Vicar of the German Diocese<br />
* Bishop [[Peter (Loukianoff) of Cleveland|Peter (Loukianoff)]] of Cleveland, Vicar of the Chicago Diocese<br />
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Retired bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Ambrose (Cantacuzène) of Geneva|Ambrose (Cantacuzène)]], Retired, formerly of Geneva and Western Europe<br />
* Bishop [[Varnava (Prokofiev) of Cannes|Varnava (Prokofiev)]], Retired, formerly of Cannes, Vicar for the Western European diocese<br />
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Former bishops:<br />
* Bishop [[Alexander (Mileant) of Buenos Aires|Alexander (Mileant)]] of Buenos Aires and South America (reposed [[September 13]], 2005 [http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/news05/balexdeath.html])<br />
* Bishop [[Mitrophan (Znosko-Borovsky) of Boston]], reposed February 15, 2002.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[ROCOR and OCA]]<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/ Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (Official site, Russian)<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/indexeng.htm Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (Official site, English)<br />
*[http://www.roca.org/ ROCA: A collection of Russian Orthodox Materials] (Unofficial site)<br />
*[http://www.cnewa.org/ecc-bodypg.aspx?eccpageID=49&IndexView=toc The Eastern Christian Churches: The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia] (by Ronald Roberson, CSP, a Roman Catholic priest and scholar)<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/roca_history.aspx History of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad], by St. [[John Maximovitch]]<br />
*[http://gnisios.narod.ru/bisrocor.html Bishops of the ROCOR]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/01newstucture/pagesen/articles/svassasobor.htm "Glory be to God, Who Did Not Abandon His Church": The Self-Awareness of ROCOR at the Third All-Diaspora Council of 1974], by Nun Vassa (Larin)<br />
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*[http://www.sobor2006.com/ IV All-Diaspora Council] (official site)<br />
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He is a professor of patrology at the Orthodox Theological Faculty in Belgrade. He was also was professor at Orthodox Theological Faculty in Srbinje , Republic of Serbia, BiH .<br />
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He was enthroned by Bp. Longin of the New Gracanica Metropolitanate, in the [[Cathedral]] [[Church]] of St. [[Steven the First-Crowned]] in Alhambra, California. Bp. Maxim was elected to the [[see]] of the Serbian Diocese of Western America at the regular session of the [[Holy Synod|Holy Assembly of Bishops]] of the Serbian Orthodox Church, held in May, 2006. Bp. Maxim succeeded Bp. Longin, who previously was the Administrator of the [[diocese]].<br />
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He is a professor of patrology at the Orthodox Theological Faculty in Belgrade. He was also was professor at Orthodox Theological Faculty in Srbinje , Republic of Serbia, BiH .<br />
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He was enthroned by Bp. Longin of the New Gracanica Metropolitanate, in the [[Cathedral]] [[Church]] of St. [[Steven the First-Crowned]] in Alhambra, California. Bp. Maxim was elected to the [[see]] of the Serbian Diocese of Western America at the regular session of the [[Holy Synod|Holy Assembly of Bishops]] of the Serbian Orthodox Church, held in May, 2006. Bp. Maxim succeeded Bp. Longin, who previously was the Administrator of the [[diocese]].<br />
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He is a professor of patrology at the Orthodox Theological Faculty in Belgrade. He was also was professor at Orthodox Theological Faculty in Srbinje , Republic of Serbia, BiH .<br />
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He was enthroned by Bp. Longin of the New Gracanica Metropolitanate, in the [[Cathedral]] [[Church]] of St. [[Steven the First-Crowned]] in Alhambra, California. Bp. Maxim was elected to the [[see]] of the Diocese of Western America at the regular session of the [[Holy Synod|Holy Assembly of Bishops]] of the Serbian Orthodox Church, held in May, 2006. Bp. Maxim succeeded Bp. Longin, who previously was the Administrator of the [[diocese]].<br />
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