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</noinclude></div>Alternativohttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Richard_Swinburne&diff=77327Richard Swinburne2008-11-05T19:44:20Z<p>Alternativo: New page: '''Richard Swinburne''' is an Orthodox Christian philosopher and theologian who works as a professor at the Oxford University. {{stub}} == External link == *...</p>
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<div>'''Richard Swinburne''' is an Orthodox Christian [[Philosophy|philosopher]] and [[Theology|theologian]] who works as a professor at the Oxford University. <br />
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== External link ==<br />
*[http://www.myocn.net/index.php/CRTL/Was-Jesus-God-A-Rational-Philosophical-Defense-of-Christian-Faith.html A interview with Richard Swinburne] at Myocn.net.<br />
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[[Category:Modern Writers]]</div>Alternativohttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Capital_punishment&diff=61978Talk:Capital punishment2008-03-09T03:43:57Z<p>Alternativo: Brazil</p>
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<div>Anyone else think the new section is too much of an editorial and that it doesn't fit with the rest of the article's contention that there's no definite Orthodox view? [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 06:56, February 27, 2007 (PST)<br />
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While I am confident that the early and authentic tradition of our Church is opposed to capital punishment, I am sad to say that there is more than one position on this issue today. Moreover, I do object to editorials posing as encyclopedia articles. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 07:10, February 27, 2007 (PST)<br />
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:I'm not protesting the content of the article itself, though I do think there are a couple weak points (e.g., isn't it obvious that to strike someone a ''mortal'' blow means to kill them?). But I'm honestly not sure what to think about capital punishment.<br />
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:However, this is clearly a submitted article and should be put under that heading, not in the middle of another article of an entirely different style. It seems very strange for the intro and end sections to say that there's no single Church position and the middle to assert a very definite position. As such, it would be nice to know who the author is and put it under the links at the bottom, where it more properly belongs. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:36, February 27, 2007 (PST)<br />
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::Hello all, the section was posted by [[user:Haahab]]. There is no further information relevant to the author. Is it too harsh to move it to his or her user page? --[[User:Cat68|Cat68]] 02:47, March 6, 2007 (PST)<br />
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I have edited the language of the article I submitted as best I can please notify me for any corrections.<br />
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== Brazil ==<br />
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I removed Brazil from the list of countries, which have capital punishment because we don't have it here. -- [[User:Alternativo|alternativo]] 19:43, March 8, 2008 (PST)</div>Alternativohttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Capital_punishment&diff=61977Capital punishment2008-03-09T03:42:16Z<p>Alternativo: fortunately, Brazil does NOT have capital punishment currently</p>
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<div>'''Capital punishment''' (commonly referred to as the '''death penalty''') is the execution of a convicted criminal, carried out by a State. The punishment is applied in cases where someone has commited one or more ''capital crimes'' or ''capital offenses'' (i.e. murder, treason). The definition of a capital crime varies from country to country. <br />
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==Capital punishment in the Bible==<br />
===Old Testament===<br />
Supporters of capital punishment point to [[Book of Genesis|Genesis]] 9:6, which states:<br><br />
<i>"Whoever sheds the blood of man,<br><br />
by man shall his blood be shed,<br><br />
for God made man in his own image."</i><br />
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===New Testament===<br />
Many also use the following passage from St. [[Apostle Paul|Paul]] as a justification for not changing capital punishment laws:<br />
:''Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities<br />
:''that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist<br />
:''will bring judgment on themselves. (Romans 13:1-2){{note|1}}<br />
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==The Orthodox View?==<br />
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It's difficult to define the Church's exact position on capital punishment as it has become a social issue mostly during the last century. Some [[jurisdiction]]s have denounced it in formal statements: for example, this 1989 [http://www.deathpenaltyreligious.org/education/statements/orthodox.html Resolution on the Death Penalty] released by [[OCA]]. However, capital punishment has not been either fully accepted or condemned by the Church as a whole. <br />
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==An argument against capital punishment==<br />
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Capital punishment is a topic of much debate among many in the modern world. This practice however has had a long history and has often been accepted in many countries. The most common form of capital punishment is the death penalty. Moses Maimonides, wrote of capital punishment, "It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent man to death." The ancient Babylonian culture lived by the code of Hammurabi, which called for the violent punishment or death of an offender. In today’s world there are many nations such as The United States, China, Russia, Algeria, Mongolia, Egypt, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and Indonesia which have capital punishment.<br />
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The Old Testament presents us with a violent world. God gave the people of Israel a law in order to prepare them for the coming messiah. Very often this law had strict consequences. "Whoever strikes a man a mortal blow must be put to death. Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death” (Exodus 21:12, 15). The LXX uses the word ''pataxh'' (coming from ''patasso'' meaning to strike) in verse 12 and ''typtei'' (coming from typto meaning to strike) in verse 15. The Hebrew text makes use of the word ''nakah'' also meaning to hit or to strike. One can see that the words used are not meaning to kill but to strike. Do we believe that striking is a penalty worthy of death?<br />
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As Orthodox Christian people it is absolutely essential to remember that humanity was created in the image and likeness of God. This should teach us that all human life is sacred because it is a gift from God. Although capital punishment is often seen as an accepted practice it opposes the basic ethical values of Christianity. The following statement comes from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese: <br />
“''With more information available to us today about the consequences of capital punishment, many Christians are of the opinion that it no longer server as a deterrent to crime. Statistics of the United States show that the existence of capital punishment in some states and its absence in other states seems to have no measurable effect on the rate of various capital crimes. For a long time now, persons accused of capital crimes who can afford the legal expertise nearly always escape capital punishment. Generally speaking, only the weak, the poor, the friendless have been executed in most recent years.” '' <br />
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Two important things must be added to this. First of all, this is not true and faire justice where only those with money get help. Secondly, this statement helps to show how many flaws there are in capital punishment.<br />
What is a human life worth? There is something severely wrong with a society where everything becomes a matter of money. Rather than being guided by basic Christian principles many nations derive their understanding of justice from modern philosophy. “Punishment is the right of the criminal. It is an act of his own will. The violation of right has been proclaimed by the criminal as his own right. His crime is the negation of right. Punishment is the negation of this negation, and consequently an affirmation of right, solicited and forced upon the criminal himself.” (Hegel). This ideology may seem sound to many, but it is not ethical. The logic of such a statement is that two wrongs make a right. Thus, if a man attacks someone he too must be punished for his crime. <br />
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The philosopher Hegel himself believed in punishment as a means of reforming a criminal. <br />
“''Hegel says that punishment itself tends to reform them. Hegel’s theory says that that it is the pain which will improve them, and therefore, although it looks on pain itself as an evil, is by no means particularly anxious to spare it, since it holds that through the pain criminals will be raised, and we therefore have no right to deny it to them”'' <br />
The question I feel that must be asked is what kind of a system breeds violent crimes and violent criminals. Hegel’s understanding of capital punishment is not only unjust it is also barbaric. When a society strives for the common good within, then and only then can that society begin to overcome these problems. In order for this to happen, people must first attempt to understand what in society could be a cause of the violence.<br />
Does the world of today not believe in the dignity and the value of a human life? Sadly, it seems as though the answer to this question is no. Through the gift of our free will we have been awarded the ability to grown closer to God. If a person has committed a violent crime they rightly deserve to be punished for what they have done. However, taking a person’s life is not the answer. Human beings are not capable of knowing where and how the grace of God will work. Even in a state of imprisonment the grace of God can still reach a person’s heart. This does not remove the punishment for the crime, but it does allow the possibility that the individual may see the wrong they did, repent and wish to redeem themselves. <br />
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People often forget that when a life is taken, even of a violent criminal, it is forever. Furthermore people forget that they too have a duty those people. “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.” (Matthew 25:35, 36). As Christian people we should be visiting those in prison. Prison itself must be a horrible ordeal. Not to minimize the crime committed, but prisoners are confined, have their rights taken away and live in a setting where violence is a rampant. <br />
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As I have already stated before examining this issue people should seriously consider what is the root of the violence in society. Sociologists believe that there is a direct connection between individual raised in broken homes where violence is a strong deterrent and violent crimes. If this is true then there are other factors that need to be addressed as well. The local and state authorities need to be willing to remove children from violent homes. This type of action should not come as a random idea, for we as members of humanity should be living with strong concern for one another.<br />
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Because human life is such a precious thing, reforming must be considered as a possible alternative. What becomes the determining factor to deem that a person is beyond the possibility of reform? Through attempting to reform an individual we as a society are doing the right moral thing. It is right to attempt to transform a violent person into a peaceful one. It seems as though people in seeking the death penalty are trying in vain for justice. The crime to which the person has been jailed is already been committed. Will their death bring back someone else’s life? No it will not. Therefore it is through peaceful methods that we must try to rehabilitate violent criminals and not try to punish them. <br />
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Justice is a corrupt business in this country. Very often those who can afford justice get it. Ideally justice is for all people. People also need to ask themselves whether or not they are trying to better their society or not. People should be working for the good of the society be trying to help one another. This too can be a very difficult notion. For example, citizens in a particular community would most likely not wish to rehabilitate a serial killer, who has murdered in their neighborhood. Yet such people must realize that such a person will probably not be released into society again. However, as I have stated already all life is worth something, even the life of a serial killer is not worthless. The Paschal homily of St. John Chrysostom reminds us of the feast prepared even for those that have come at the eleventh hour.<br />
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==Other Resources==<br />
*[http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0104/articles/dulles.html Catholicism & Capital Punishment] by Avery Cardinal Dulles, ''First Things'' 112 (April 2001): 30-35 (one Roman Catholic viewpoint)<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment Capital punishment on Wikipedia]<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/ethics/seraphim_capital_punishment.htm A Bishop's Opposition to Capital Punishment] From a letter by Bishop [[Seraphim (Storheim) of Ottawa]]<br />
*[http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=32&catid=61 A View of Capital Punishment from the Coptic Orthodox Diocese of the Southern United States] (for)<br />
*[http://www.incommunion.org/articles/the-orthodox-church-and-society/ix The Orthodox Peace Fellowship on Crime, Punishment, and Reformation] (against)<br />
*{{ref|1}} King James Version, in public domain. Courtesy of [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom%2013;&version=50; www.biblegateway.com]<br />
http://www.christconn.org/pscapitalpunishment.htm<br />
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/ethics/goarch_moral_statements_1984.htm<br />
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[[Category:Ethics]]</div>Alternativohttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=List_of_Orthodox_Internet_communities&diff=61725List of Orthodox Internet communities2008-03-02T22:10:03Z<p>Alternativo: /* Instant messaging */ added link to rusnet site</p>
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<div>==Blogs==<br />
Below is an incomplete list of sites that offer '''individual''' opinions and thoughts on Orthodoxy. Many of the following individuals have formed something of an intertextual community, and you are likely to find them linking to many other Orthodox sites or blogs, and many interesting non-Orthodox ones as well.<br />
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'''Aggregators'''<br />
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*[http://orthodoxblogs.com OrthodoxBlogs.com]<br />
*[http://community.livejournal.com/orthodoxy/ Orthodoxy Community] at [http://www.livejournal.com LiveJournal]<br />
* [http://groups.blogdigger.com/groups.jsp?id=2040 St. Blog's Parish] is a searchable aggregated syndication feed of Catholic and Orthodox blogs. Note: '''Mostly Catholic'''<br />
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'''Individual blogs'''<br />
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* [http://orthodoxchristianreflections.blogspot.com/ Angel Standing By] - "A blog of Orthodox Christian news, Bible story reflections, lives of the saints, etc."<br />
* [http://aureljivisociety.blogspot.com/ The Aurel Jivi Society] - An Orthodox Blog for Theology Students Learning English for Academic Purposes<br />
* [http://mimisbooks.blogspot.com/ Bigger than a Breadbox]<br />
*Bishop [[Seraphim (Sigrist) of Sendai|Seraphim (Sigrist)]] - [http://www.livejournal.com/users/seraphimsigrist/ Seraphim's LiveJournal]<br />
* [http://byztex.blogspot.com Byzantine, TX] - An Eastern Christian blog<br />
* [http://pactum-serva.blogspot.com/ Pactum Serva] - Orthodox blog on subjects ranging from Theology to Culture to Politics<br />
* [http://www.devshirme.com Devshirme] by Fr. Gregory Christakos<br />
* [http://blakemb.wordpress.com/ Dust and Ashes] - "..but I have chosen you out of the world." <br />
* [http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/ East of Byzantium] - Orthodox blog from China<br />
*[http://hellenic-reporter.blogspot.com/ Hellenic Reporter] - Fighting the good fight for all freedoms, including freedom of religion.<br />
* [http://homepage.mac.com/gthurman/iblog Fr. Matthew Thurman's blog]<br />
* [http://glenrosefarm.blogspot.com/ Glen Rose Farm] - "Notes from a Hillside Farm; being Musings and Observations on Life, Letters, and our Most Holy Faith, by a Lawyer, Sheep-farmer, and Communicant of the Orthodox Church"<br />
* [http://blog.kevinbasil.com/ Kevin Basil] - "Decimation and Reconstruction"<br />
<!-- * [http://www.apologetika.narod.ru/index2.html Let Us Attend] - "The Orthodox Apologetics Blog" ---><br />
* [http://www.evlogeite.com Ancient Church] - The blog formerly known as Minor Clergy<br />
* [http://morningcoffee.blogspot.com/ Morning Coffee]<br />
<!-- * [http://www.orthodox-journey.blogspot.com My Journey to Orthodoxy] by [[user:tizzidale|Rusty Tisdale]] ---><br />
* [http://occidentalis.blogspot.com Occidentalis] - Dedicated to the Western Rite.<br />
* [http://orthodox-okie.blogspot.com Orthodox Okie] - a pro-Western Rite blog maintained by Oklahoma native Aristobule Adams.<br />
* [http://southern-orthodoxy.blogspot.com/ Orthodixie] - "Southern, Orthodox, Convert, Etc."<br />
* [http://orthomatic.net/ Orth-o-matic] - from Plamen Sivov, in Bulgarian language mainly<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/ OrthodoxyToday Blog] - from Fr. Hans Jacobse<br />
<!-- * [http://www.1453.org/ Orthopraxis] - "A weblog of issues affecting Orthodoxy." ---><br />
* [http://paradosis.blogspot.com/ Paradosis] - "A handing over, which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc."<br />
<!-- * [http://www.chattablogs.com/jeremy/ Parrhesia] - "Freedom or frankness in speaking; saying freely all that one thinks." ---><br />
* [http://pensateomnia.blogspot.com/ Pensate Omnia (Weigh all Things)] "Orthodox faith; language and literature; ideas in science, politics, history, art and poetry; whatever I find edifying or fun, these things I hope to write about and explore by posting thoughts, papers, links etc."<br />
* [http://www.philthompson.net PhilThompson.net] "...the online journal of what Phil finds interesting."<br />
* [http://pleroma.typepad.com/pleroma/ Pleroma] "Setting forth and defending the Apostolic Tradition"<br />
* [http://donva.blogspot.com/ Ramblings of a Single Dad] - "An adoptive single Orthodox father rambles on faith, fatherhood, family, and friends."<br />
* [http://russianicon.blogspot.com/ Russian Orthodox Icons' Gallery] - "This Blog is devoted to describing of hand-written Russian Orthodox icons from a Gallery, which is located in the heart of Old Riga, Latvia"<br />
*[http://web.mac.com/cjoiner/Articles/Blog/Blog.html Saint George Speaks] "Articles from Saint George Greek Orthodox Cathedral Publications"<br />
* [http://sarisburiensis.blogspot.com Sarisburium] - The musings of an Orthodox convert from Great Britain, "Full Faith and Filioque-Free!" <br />
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* [http://stephanosofepiros.wordpress.com/ Stephanos of Nikopolis] - "Aphorisms and essays on moral philosophy, theology, Orthodox spiritual life, and New Testament commentary."<br />
* [http://karlthienes.blogspot.com/ St. Stephen's Musings] by Karl Thienes - "Thoughts and reflections on Eastern Orthodox theology, various philosophical issues, and a variety of social/political events."<br />
* [http://sundaytosunday.blogspot.com/ Sunday to Sunday] - "an online journal that chronicles my communion with Christ and His church."<br />
* [http://www.chattablogs.com/aionioszoe/ This is Life: Revolutions Around the Cruciform Axis] - by Clifton Healy, an "Orthodox wannabe"<br />
* [http://justinmartyr.blogspot.com/ Torrent of Consciousness] - "It is what it is."<br />
<!-- * [http://www.wayneolson.com/weblog/ WayneOlson.com] - "A weblog on Eastern Orthodoxy, theology, philosophy, academia, nonsense and Siberian speed knitting." ---><br />
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* [http://westernorthodox.blogspot.com Western Orthodoxy] - "An Unofficial Blog Dedicated to the Western Rite within the Orthodox Church."<br />
* [http://theosebia.blogspot.com/ A Catechumen's Walk] - "My thoughts and meditations as I delve into the ancient paths of the Church"<br />
* [http://stmaterne.blogspot.com/ Saint-Materne] Musing on the roots of Orthodox Belgium, 19 centuries Christian. (in French)<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxe.be/revue.html "La Voile"], "The Sail" online journal of a Belgian Orthodox study group (in French)<br />
* [http://www.anchorite.org/blog anchorite.org] A church tech blog<br />
* [http://www.frbishoy.com/blog www.frbishoy.com] The official blog of Fr. Bishoy Andrawes, Priest of St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church of Washington, DC<br />
* [http://www.nowandever.be/ now and ever] ..:in search of a john 3:8 hurricane:..<br />
* [http://iconnewmedianetwork.com/Channel/woman-thou-art-awesome/ Woman, Thou Art Awesome] A blog devoted to the lives of Women Saints in the Orthodox Church<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxyouth.org/blog/ Orthodox Christian Bible Studies Blog] Discusses the development of online, interactive multimedia Bible study resources.<br />
* [http://monasticism.blogspot.com/ Monasticism] by Rev. Fr. Peter-Michael Preble of St. Michael’s Romanian Orthodox Church in Southbridge, MA<br />
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==Forums==<br />
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[[Wikipedia:Internet_forum|Internet forums]] are a place for discussion. They allow users to make a "post" about a topic and others to respond.<br />
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'''Active''':<br />
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*[http://www.christianforums.com/f145-the-ancient-way-orthodox.html The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox], hosted by [http://www.christianforums.com Christian Forums]<br />
*[http://www.desertcalling.com/ Desert Calling] (old forums can be found at: [http://orthopraxis.co.nr/ Orthopraxis])<br />
*[http://www.monachos.net/forum/index.php Monachos.net Discussion Community] - Online study and discourse of Orthodoxy through patristic and monastic theological heritage.<br />
*[http://itomd.myforum.ro Theological Discussions] A Orthodox Moldavian forum in Romanian language moderated by hieromonk professor PhD Petru Pruteanu, dean of the Pastoral Theological Faculty from Edinet Moldavia <br />
*[http://byzantineforum.forumotion.com Byzantine Forum] A new Forum about Orthodoxy and Greece (in Greek)<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/ OrthodoxChristianity.net]<br />
*[http://www.sojourner3.proboards59.com/index.cgi OrthodoxChat.com]<br />
*[http://members5.boardhost.com/STANDREWHOUSE/ St. Andrew House Discussion Forum], hosted by [http://boardhost.com/ boardhost.com]<br />
*[http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/chant_liturgique/ Chant Liturgique], a French language group of liturgical discussions, help, sharing & document exchange (Eastern rite only)<br />
*[http://forums.pravoslavie.bg/ Orthodoxy Bulgaria] Orthodox forum in Bulgarian<br />
*[http://www.forum-ortodox.com/ Romanian forum] Orthodox forum in Romanian<br />
*[http://www.forum-orthodoxe.com/ France forum] Orthodox forum in French<br />
*[http://p097.ezboard.com/belyforum Ely Forum] Orthodox forum in English, on Orthodox roots of the West, has also a (new) French forum<br />
*[http://www.ststephenoca.com/blog.html Central Florida Orthodox Forum] Orthodox Forum catering primarily to Orthodox Christians in the Central Florida area. Has a nice Q & A forum and other features that appeal to all Orthodox Christians<br />
*[http://www.joyinsorrow.com Joy in Sorrow] - An Orthodox resource and community site for those suffering from depression or going through hard times<br />
*[http://www.ortodoksi.net/foorumi/ Ortodoksi.net] Orthodox forum in Finnish (also in English, Swedich or German)<br />
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'''Less-active''':<br />
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*[http://orthodoxweb.org Orthodox Web Development Community]<br />
*[http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=80 Eastern Orthodoxy], hosted by [http://www.religiousforums.com religiousforums.com]<br />
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'''Inactive''':<br />
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*[http://www.hesychasm.ru/forum/index.php Hesychasm forum] forum in Russian is moderately active, forum in English is inactive<br />
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==Electronic mailing lists==<br />
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An [[Wikipedia:Electronic_mailing_list|electronic mailing lists]] allows list members to dialog via email. Sometimes the contents of these emails are archived for public view and other times they are not. List members generally have the option to receive the messages one-at-a-time or in a "daily digest" that includes all of the messages for a given time period.<br />
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*The [https://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/orthodox.html Indiana list] is one of the oldest and is known for its conservative leanings and feisty discussion.<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/ocnet.htm OCNet] - The Orthodox Christian Network. Orthodox discussion forums available as mailing lists, BBS conferences, newsgroups etc. <br />
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'''Yahoo! Groups'''<br />
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In order to join many of these groups they require approval from a Yahoo! member who is the moderator of the group. Yahoo! membership, however, is not a requirement.<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox_China/ Orthodox China] - For discussion about issues related to Orthodoxy in China, translations of Orthodox texts into Chinese, and missionary work among Chinese people abroad.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-convert/ Orthodox Converts] - For discussion between people who have [[convert]]ed to Orthodox Christianity or are interested in Orthodoxy. Cradle Orthodox and Clergy are invited to join to offer advice to those members who are young in the faith.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox-Forum/ Orthodox Forum]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodoxjurisdictions/ Orthodox Jurisdictions]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-readers Orthodox Readers] - A list for tonsured readers, as well as for any one interested in Reader Services.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox_Re-Forum/ Orthodox Re-Forum]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-tradition/ Orthodox Tradition]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oxwoms/ Orthodox Without My Spouse] - A support group for Orthodox Christians married to someone who isn't.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/normalorthodox/ Normal Orthodox]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/byzantinechant Byzantine Chant] - A group founded by the European musician Fr. Ivan Moody, primarily targeted at chanters practicing in churches using the Byzantine musical tradition. Discussion focuses on the technical aspects of the tones.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greekorthodoxmusic Greek Orthodox Church Music] - Discussion of musical issues as practiced in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. This lists embraces four-part choral music as well as Byzantine chant.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/typikon/ Typikon] - A discussion list intended for all kinds of discussion and enquiries regarding the Typikon (its liturgical practice and music, and ramifications thereof) of the canonical Orthodox Church.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ustav/ Ustav] - "Ustav" facilitates email discussion, questions, commentary and teaching concerning the traditional Orthodox Christian typicon and music. The Russian word "ustav" means typicon, and indicates that discussion will be slanted towards the Russian Orthodox typicon and music, as practiced in the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia]], but all other traditional usages may also be discussed.<br />
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westernriteorthodoxy Western Rite Orthodoxy] - "The congregations of the Western Rite Vicariate of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America proclaim the fullness of the Orthodox Faith while worshipping according to the historic Western Catholic Rites of Rome and England."<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/ Orthodox ROCOR] - A group for members and friends of [[ROCOR]].<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arbible The Holy Bible Web Site Channel] - This is a [[Coptic]] Orthodox discussion list with ecumenical vision and outreach (Main languages: English and Arabic).<br />
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'''Clergy-only''':<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-clergy/ Orthodox-Clergy] - The Orthodox-Clergy email list is open to bishops, priests and deacons of all SCOBA jurisdictions, parishes of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oca-clergy/ OCA-Clergy] - This list is only open to priests and deacons of the [[Orthodox Church in America]]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rocorclergy/ ROCOR Clergy] - This list is open only to deacons, priests, and bishops of [[ROCOR]].<br />
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==Newsgroups==<br />
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[[Wikipedia:Newsgroup|Newsgroups]] are usually found within the [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] system and generally require newsreader software to interact with them. However, [http://groups.google.com/ Google Groups] provides a web interface.<br />
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*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox], a high-traffic group known for its tabloid style, personal attacks, and fierce exchanges<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.greek-orthodox alt.religion.christian.greek-orthodox], a less active group than .east-orthodox, but tends to be more focused on Orthodox topics<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.russian-orthodox alt.religion.christian.russian-orthodox]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.ukrainian-orthodox alt.religion.christian.ukrainian-orthodox]<br />
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==Social networks==<br />
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There are sites for [[Wikipedia:Social_networking|developing friendships]] with Orthodox Christians.<br />
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*[http://www.orthodoxbiz.com Orthodoxbiz.com] - "Orthodox Biz is a business directory, business promotion, and business networking site for Orthodox business professionals. It offers an Orthodox business directory, classified ads, mini-sites, discussion forums, networking groups, Orthodox business blogging, Orthodox press releases from private businesses and Orthodox ministries, and Orthodox event listing."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxcircle.org OrthodoxCircle.org] - "OrthodoxCircle is a free online community portal designed for Orthodox Christians! It provides fun and easy to use tools for friends and family to stay connected with each other and their parishes, ministries and organizations. It's also a great way to make new friends with other Orthodox Christians around the world and to stay informed about events and news."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxfriends.com OrthodoxFriends.com] - This site has gone offline. [[User talk:FrJohn|Let me know]] if someone wants to revive this!<br />
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There are also some for just singles, but none for an Orthodox [[Wikipedia:Online_dating_service|dating service]], similar to [http://www.eharmony.com eHarmony.com].<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox_singles/ Orthodox Singles Yahoo Group]<br />
*[http://www.livejournal.com/community/orthodox_single/ Livejournal Orthodox Single Group]<br />
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==Instant messaging==<br />
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There are several forms of [[Wikipedia:Instant_messaging|instant messaging]] available to communicate with others online.<br />
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'''[[Wikipedia:Internet_Relay_Chat|Internet Relay Chat]]''' (IRC)<br />
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*[http://blog.kevinbasil.com/2003/02/03/holy-irc-batman/ &#35;orthodoxy] on [http://www.lplug.org lplug.org]<br />
*&#35;orthodoxwiki on [http://freenode.net/ freenode.net] - see [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat]]<br />
*&#35;orthodox on [http://undernet.org undernet.org]<br />
*&#35;orthodoxy on [http://www.rus-net.org/ irc.rus.net] (chat mainly in Russian)<br />
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==Portals/directories==<br />
* [http://businessdirectory.orthodoxcircle.com Orthodox Christian Business Directory] - Part of [http://orthodoxcircle.com OrthodoXCircle]<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxbiz.com Orthodoxbiz.com] - "Orthodox Biz is a business directory, business promotion, and business networking site for Orthodox business professionals. It offers an Orthodox business directory, classified ads, mini-sites, discussion forums, networking groups, Orthodox business blogging, Orthodox press releases from private businesses and Orthodox ministries, and Orthodox event listing."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxlinks.info/ Orthodox Christianity on the Web]<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxnet.com/ OrthodoxNet]<br />
*[http://orthodoxlife.info Orthodox Life Info Portal]<br />
*[http://www.ortodoksi.net Ortodoksi.net] Finnish Orthodox info portal<br />
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'''Fora'''<br />
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*[http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Denominations/Orthodox/Chats_and_Forums/ Orthodox Chats and Forums] at [http://www.google.com/dirhp Google Directory]<br />
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'''Electronic Mailing Lists'''<br />
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*[http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/Christianity/Denominations_and_Sects/Orthodox Orthodox Groups] at Yahoo!<br />
*http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/resource/lists.html<br />
*http://www.holy-trinity.org/lists.html<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Orthodox Media]]<br />
* [[Orthodox Newsfeeds]]<br />
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== Orthodoxwiki in Greek ==<br />
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Father bless. I have to apologise for my English and I'll like to ask you what i have to do to create the greek version of the Orthodoxwiki?<br />
Your blesses and I hope for the success of the progect--[[User:Adolapts|Adolapts]] 04:34, May 8, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Romanian documents about ECOF==<br />
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Le Patriarcat Roumain <br />
Le département des relations ecclésiastiques extérieures <br />
Roumanie <br />
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423/3.III.1993 <br />
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A son Excellence l’évêque Germain de St Denis <br />
Paris France <br />
<br />
VOTRE EXCELLENCE <br />
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Nous portons à votre connaissance que le saint Synode de l’Eglise Roumaine, dans sa session de travail du 23 janvier 1993, a de nouveau examiné la situation de Votre Excellence et de l’Evêché Orthodoxe Catholique de France, <br />
<br />
Comme Vous savez, en 1972, ce diocèse Français, à la demande instante de ses représentants, a été reçu par le patriarcat Roumain sous sa juridiction, afin de lui offrir, par économie ecclésiastique, la communion canonique de même que la possibilité de s’intégrer dans l’ensemble de l’Orthodoxie et de progresser spirituellement. <br />
<br />
Peu de temps après avoir été reçu sous notre juridiction et après le sacre épiscopal de Votre excellence, au sein du diocèse et dans Votre activité commencèrent à se manifester. diverses erreurs d’ordre dogmatique, liturgique et de discipline canonique, ainsi que des enseignements et des pratiques contraires à l’orthodoxie universelle, qui ne firent que se multiplier avec le temps continuant à présent encore et étant maintes fois portées à notre connaissance. <br />
<br />
Au long de toutes ces années, le Saint synode, dans l’Esprit de la charité chrétienne et de la tolérance à l’égard de votre excellence et du clergé et des fidèles de l’Evêché Orthodoxe Catholique de France, a fait de considérables efforts pour vous aider à faire remédier les erreurs et à redresser la vie religieuse de ce diocèse, afin que vous puissiez entrer dans la communion de l’orthodoxie universelle. <br />
<br />
Par conséquent vous avez été maintes fois invité par le patriarcat Roumain de participer, accompagné par vos collaborateurs, à des discussions dans le cadre de diverses commissions synodales. Chaque fois ont été dressés des protocoles et vous avez signé des engagements et des déclarations (1974,1976, 1978,1979, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990), stipulant que vous allez vous intégrer dans l’orthodoxie universelle. Vous les avez cependant chaque fois ignorés et transgressés sciemment, faisant preuve de désobéissance et d ‘insoumission. <br />
<br />
Etant donné que vous n’avez pas respecté les susdits protocoles, les déclarations et vos propres engagements de vous intégrer effectivement et sincèrement avec le diocèse dans l’orthodoxie universelle ; <br />
<br />
Compte tenu de l’attitude permanente de désobéissance et de la transgression délibérée de vos propres engagements quant à l’observation et de la doctrine et de la pratique de la vie religieuse orthodoxe, <br />
<br />
Le saint synode de l’Eglise Orthodoxe Roumaine a décidé de retirer définitivement la juridiction canonique de l’Eglise orthodoxe roumaine à Votre excellence et à l’Evêché Orthodoxe catholique de France. Par conséquent, l’exercice de toute fonction épiscopale vous est désormais défendu. Toute correspondance reçue de Votre part à ce sujet ne sera plus prise en considération. <br />
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Il a été également décidé que les prêtres ou les communautés du respectif diocèse qui souhaiteraient maintenir les liens canoniques avec L’Orthodoxie universelle puissent s’adresser à cet effet aux juridictions canoniques orthodoxes locales. <br />
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Les susdites décisions seront communiquées aussi au conseil diocésain de l’Evêché Orthodoxe Catholique de France, aux prêtres appartenant à ce diocèse, au Comité Inter-épiscopal orthodoxe de Paris et aux Eglises Orthodoxes sœurs. <br />
Avec le regret que le patriarcat roumain ait été contraint de prendre de telles mesures disciplinaires, nous prions le Seigneur de vous accorder son aide et sa lumière et de vous protéger dans la grâce miséricordieuse ; <br />
<br />
Président du saint Synode <br />
+ Théoctiste <br />
Patriarche de l’Eglise orthodoxe Roumaine <br />
<br />
Secrétaire du Saint synode, <br />
+ Evêque Nifon Ploiesteanul <br />
Vicaire patriarcal <br />
<br />
PATRIARHIA ROMANA <br />
CANCELARIA SFANTULUI SINOD <br />
SECTORUL PENTRU RELATII EXTERNE BISERICESTI <br />
<br />
AVIS D’EXPERTISE CANONIQUE <br />
<br />
No 9 /3 Janvier 2001 <br />
<br />
Après une suite d’erreurs de l’ex-évêque Germain de Saint Denis, le Saint Synode de l’Eglise orthodoxe Roumaine a été obligé de prendre la. décision disciplinaire de lui interdire l’exercice de toutes fonctions épiscopales. Cette décision no. 423 / 1993, ci-après annexée, a été communiquée aux intéressés par une lettre du 3 mars 1993, ci-incluse. <br />
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Pour expliciter cette décision du Saint Synode nous précisons que “retirer définitivement la juridiction canonique” et ‘l’exercice de route fonction épiscopale vous est désormais défendu” signifient du point de vue canonique que l’ex-évêque Germain est exclu de l’épiscopat (c’est à dire la déposition), et est réduit â l’état laïc et ainsi n’a plus le droit de célébrer la Sainte Liturgie, ni aucun office religieux, ni de effectuer des ordinations et dispenser les Saints Sacrements, ni de conduire une communauté cultuelle orthodoxe. Par suite il n’est reçu par aucune autre juridiction Orthodoxe. <br />
<br />
Contrairement à la décision du Saint Synode de l’Eglise orthodoxe Roumaine, l’ex-évêque Germain, aggrave sa situation ecclésiale en poursuivant l’exercice des fonctions épiscopales, et ainsi tombe sous l’incidence des canons l’excluant de l’Eglise. Tout acte de culte et d’autorité excercé par un évêque après sa déposition sont nuls de fait et de droit (28eme règle apostolique et no. 4 du concile d’Antioche 74ème règle apostolique 9 et 17 du IV concile oecuménique et no. 15 du concile d’ Antioche). Les ordinations pourront être soumises par économie à l’examen de l’autorité canonique. <br />
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En continuant ses errements et passant au delà de toutes règles canoniques l’ex-évêque Germain, M. Gilles BERTRAND-HARDY, en se mariant est tombé définitivement de son état épiscopal et conformément aux Saints Canons la sanction appliquée par le Saint Synode pourrait être l’anathème, (no. 6 du VI concile oecuménique, no. I Néocésarée et no 12 et 48 du VI concile oecuménique). <br />
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En conclusion, par application des Saints Canons cités qui sont valabLes dans toutes les Eglises orthodoxes, l’ex-évêque Germain, M. Gilles BERTRAND-HARDY non seulement aperdu sa qualité d'évêque mais de plus encourt l’exclusion de l’Eglise orthodoxe, <br />
<br />
Le secrétariat du Saint Synode de l’Eglise orthodoxe Roumaine <br />
<br />
Evêque Ambrosie Sinaitul Vicaire administratif <br />
P. Constantin Parvu <br />
Vicaire Patriarcal <br />
<br />
'''I hope you wont,like fr Lev, considers Romanian Orthodox Church like a liar, dictatorial church having made no canonical trial to B Germain before deposing him.<br />
And all canonical dioceses in France: liar too ???'''<br />
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== ECOF ==<br />
Binecuvinteaze parinte,<br />
<br />
I think it is quite important to inform readers about the situation as it is. And, in France, all the canonical Orthodoxy considers ECOF being non-canonical, and bishop Germain deposed. You can ask every diocese, the A.E.O.F, St Serge Institute...<br />
When a laity come to join a canonical diocese, what happens ? If he was a member of ECOF after 1993, he receive anointment of Myrron, the sacrament of Confirmation or "Chrismation" as in baptisma. And then only he can receive holy gifts.<br />
If it is a member of ECOF clergy after 1993, he is examinated by a canonical commission, and if there is no problems, is ordained by a canonical bishop.<br />
That clearly means that for Orthodox Church in France (canonical one), ECOF is non-canonical and its sacraments after 1993 have no value.<br />
<br />
It does not mean that situation is fair, that Germain and ECOF were wrong, but that's the situation, as it is.<br />
<br />
Most, to say the truth, nearly all french orthodoxs were formed and instructed by ECOF, french traductions were done by ECOF, and still of a very high quality. Contribution of ECOF to French Orthodoxy is enormous and well known. There are ex-members of ECOF in all dioceses of canonical churches established in France, most french priests come from ECOF. French orthodoxs still grateful to ECOF, its foundators like bishop Jean, Maxime Kovalevsky (his litugical chant is still used for instance in Romanian Deanery)and all the work done.<br />
Bishop Marc (Alric), vicar of Metropolitan Joseph, was a member of ECOF!<br />
So, every body knows the true story of ECOF, and the subject stills touchy and painful to many french orthodoxs.<br />
That 's why we cannot, to my opinion, let false or incomplete informations about its canonical status written. <br />
People who want to join ECOF must know the truth, and choose to embrase the situation of canonical isolation, the western rite, difficulties about M.Germain must be accepted and so on. They can choose to fight this situation, by considering like fr Lev ECOF is right.<br />
<br />
Forgive me and pray for me, <br />
<br />
Glikerie of Neamt.<br />
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== content on wikipedia ==<br />
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Fr John - template added. Which page is being lifted to wikipedia? &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 17:29, May 17, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Fr John you are considered host of this wiki. Please could you point out who is '''host''' on el.OrthodoxWiki? --[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 03:59, May 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== el.orthodoxwiki ==<br />
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Dear FrJohn, thank you for promoting me in sysop status. You 've done it exactly at the moment I was ready to ask for it, for a short period, in order to translate some messages of the system. Please feel free to take it back when basic job is done and other more qualified persons arrive. In due time I should propose [[:el:User:kostisl]] appointed for sysop -if he wishes, starts and continues editing articles. He has already done excellent work on Orthodoxy in greek wikipedia, and he is the proper person I think for this kind of job, as it concerns special terminology about theology and orthodoxy. <br />
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I'm working on a systematic excavation -the first of the Aegean University- in Kymisala area, in Rhodes Island of Dodecanese, Aegean Sea. Please feel free to ask detailed informations when you need it for your friends. I 've met OrthodoxWiki long ago, searching links about Innocent of Alaska and Alascan Diocese in order to use them on Patrology Project (electronic publication of Patrology's texts) of the University. I came back because of a link in greek wikipedia, and I'll try to help as much as I can. I 've found it a splendid idea for Orthodoxy all around the world and here maybe is the proper place to thank all who are working toward this purpose. I must confess that I am not exactly the religious type, who is able to conform to a dogma. I prefer the mystical type of approaching Christ, that's why I consider other users fitter than me. I wish you the best--[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 09:01, May 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Deleted photos ==<br />
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Please restore the photos you deleted. I am not doing it over again!! I took the photos myself! They are not from other sources. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodoxy_in_Hawaii {{unsigned|Nectarios}}<br />
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== Could you do me a favor? ==<br />
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Could you please restore the article of Archbishop Anthony of San Francisco? I had received permission to post it from the author of the article, Fr. Peter. I should have made that clear....sorry.<br />
--[[User:Nectarios|Nectarios]] 12:19, May 31, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:Hi Nectarios, I've restored the article and its images, both under our default copyright terms. If this is incorrect - if the author of the article or source of the image though they were giving a one-time permission for use on this site rather than a licensing under CC/GFDL, PLEASE let me know. Thanks! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])<br />
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== el.orthodox.wiki ==<br />
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Thank you for good words. Actually my interest at the moment is directed towards translating context, and localising system's messages. MediaWiki has not yet adopted all this work done in greek wikipedia, so we have to do it over and over again in every fresh wiki. I think that sooner or later this wiki will keep on going and what matters, as far as I'm concerned, is to offer a solid ground, upon which everybody is going to work without special difficalties. Something you could discuss for us with server administrator is timezone differences, if there is some way to solve this problem. I wish you the best--[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 13:08, May 31, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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el.orthodox.wiki is lost. Did you have any kind of changes in the database?--[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 09:23, June 4, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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There were some more problems but now I think it's allright. Thanks and best wishes--[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 12:59, June 4, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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'''[[el:User:Kalogeropoulos/Notebook|Notebook for non Greek speaking sysops and users]]''': You can find informations about functional pages, templates concerning OrthodoxWiki's context, translations completed or in progress, a kind of informal embassy. Pls feel free to add comments or suggestions. Considering OrthodoxWiki's POV a most sensitive matter, we are in need of an independent greek speaking reader-watcher. I wish you the best -:).<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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Father Bless. I must thank you for the honor of upgraded my account to sysop status. I hope that I'll be worthy of your trust.--[[User:Adolap|Adolap]] 07:37, June 9, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Moderation ==<br />
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Father John,<br />
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Your Blessings!<br />
<br />
Would you mind removing all posts from the discussion section and keep a watch on the Orthodoxy in the Philippines page, please? The reason is that I feel that the posts have degenerated into personal attacks, gossip, and slander and that these posts are upsetting certain hierarchs. <br />
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Marcus<br />
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== Orthodoxy in the Philippines ==<br />
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Dear Father John,<br />
<br />
Would you mind deleting the entries on the discussion page and monitoring it a little more? The discussions about Antioch and Constantinople I believe are not appropriate for Orthodox wikipedia. Things should be kept on a scholarly and dispassionate level and the two persons, Filipino and Marcus, should not be discussing the issues mentioned because it is bound to upset a few bishops.<br />
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Dimitri<br />
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== Vandalism on the site ==<br />
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June 18, 2007, 9:20am PST<br />
<br />
Good grief I don't envy what you're doing right now. Thank you for adjusting pages. Also note that the vandalism extended to the main page.<br />
<br />
I wanted to contact you to tell you it was happening, but there doesn't seem to be a link to contact sysops. (So I posted to the orthodoxy board on LiveJournal...and was immediately--and appropriately--chastised for directing people to pornographic images!)<br />
<br />
On the one hand, awareness of how to contact you and your ilk would be helpful. On the other hand, you're clearly on the case quickly.<br />
<br />
Thank you.<br />
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ADDENDUM: Sincerely, Jeff ([[User:Jeffholton|<b>Jeffholton</b>]])<br />
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=== About vandalism ===<br />
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Coud you do something about recent vandalism. I believe that all users such as WarDemon is same person. It seams that he is changing his IP Adresses constantly.--[[User:Ddpbf|Ddpbf]] 09:42, June 18, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:Hi guys -- Jeff, could you sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>? That helps me know who I'm talking to - thanks.<br />
:Ok, now to business. I'm working on it. It's definitely the same person. It looks like this kid is on a dynamic IP connection (like DSL) through Verizon in New York. I'm on the phone with Verizon now. In terms of contact info, my email (and other information about how to contact me) is posted on my user page. I'm easy to find. I'll keep you guys updated if find out more info. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])<br />
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:P.S. No need to mark these things with the deletion template, especially when there are a group of people now watching the recent changes page. Thanks to everyone for their work. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])<br />
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:I don't want to post the details publicly, but this should be resolved soon. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])<br />
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== OrthodoxWiki in Macedonian ==<br />
<br />
Father John, I would like to start OrthodoxWiki in Macedonian language. <br />
Could you help me? [[User:Iacovibus|Iacovibus]] 04:55, July 16, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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==Sysop status==<br />
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Thanking you for your confidence so far, I should kindly ask removal of sysop status. --[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 08:14, September 4, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
<br />
Fr. John, bless! Just wanted to drop a note to say a very belated Hello. I had the pleasure of visiting your parish the last Sunday in August, when I was in town for the RailsEdge conference. I'm a web developer by trade, and have worked off and on on wikipedia since 2001 or so. I'll try to spend a little time here as well. "Anything worth doing is worth doing well" eh? [[User:Theophan|Rdr. Theophan]] 08:05, September 22, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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==Holy Cross Articles==<br />
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Dear Fr. John, <br />
your blessing.<br />
<br />
I read your communication with Pres. Magda, about the Holy Cross articles. I am the professor who required the students to post articles on the orthowiki. My name is Timothy Patitsas, and i teach Ethics here in Brookline.<br />
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I would appreciate your advice on how to improve the work that my students ultimately post on the orthowiki, as the results last spring (the first time I have attempted this), were not up to the standards I had hoped. Should I have them submit hard copies to me first, and then pick only those which are the best to be posted?<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Timothy Patitsas<br />
[[User:Seoul|Seoul]] 19:22, November 2, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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==OrthodoxWiki in Spanish==<br />
Dear FrJohn,<br />
<br />
I am writing because I want to express my congratulations for your idea of creating a Spanish version of OrthodoxWiki. Although let me tell you I am a little amazed about the existence of OrthodoxWiki in a language spoken in countries that hardly have orthodox believers. However I think OrthodoxWiki may give useful information about the Orthodox Church, an important branch of Christianity that is almost unknown in Spain and Latin America. <br />
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I am not an orthodox Christian, but I am interested in this church. For that I hope to contribute with new articles in Spanish and English for OrthodoxWiki.<br />
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The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you!<br />
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--[[User:juanmanuelarcia|'''<font color="#999900">Juan<font color="#110099">manuel<font color="#990011">arcia</font></font></font>''']] 14:02, November 18, 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==OrthodoxWiki in Russian and Drevo==<br />
Father John, hello! In Russian, we have russian huge orthodox wiki called [http://drevo.pravbeseda.org drevo]. What do you think about posting an article by me, both to the drevo and here (orthodoxwiki)? Which licence must I use? [[User:Зануда|Зануда]] 04:05, November 24, 2007 (PST)<br />
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:Hello Зануда!, This would be wonderful. I think, when we were launching [http://ru.orthodoxwiki.org ru.orthodoxwiki.org], I looked for other Russian-language wikis and found two or three, but was not able to figure out what licenses they were using. (Not reading Russian did not help!) I suppose that copyright law is not as developed (at least in the public consciousness) in Russia? It seems that our own Russian wiki is not doing very well -- it does not have much support or content. I would be very happy to join efforts with a wiki project in Russian, provided that our licenses were compatible.<br />
:OrthodoxWiki licenses content by default under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license (see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ -- unfortunately they haven't made this available in Russian yet, but there is a description of the "porting" process at http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Worldwide_Overview) as well as a [http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GNU Free Doc License] (just like Wikipedia). We allow use under either license for maximum flexibility and compatibility.<br />
:All that said, you would be very welcome to post an article both here, under our default license, and there, under whatever license you choose. As the creator of the content, you may choose to license it in various ways. Thank you for your interest in OrthodoxWiki! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 10:53, November 24, 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Licenses ==<br />
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Dear Father,<br />
<br />
I'm confused about whether we can import images which are currently under a CC license. Specifically, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Patriarch_of_Constantinople_throne.jpg this image] for the [[cathedra]] article. The external links on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights]] page indicate we have as part of our dual-license the 2.5 version of the CC; should that link be updated? Also, if, when we hammer things out for a particular license or site (such as we have done with Wikipedia), perhaps we could put a "May I use information/image from X?" list which stipulates the various requirements per each source (or kind of source) for importing materials. If so, what page and/or category would be a good place for that? (We might also want to make clear what sources are not acceptable.)<br />
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In Christ,<br />
magda<br />
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:Magda, Good to hear from you and its a good question. We've allowed all kinds of licensed material here in the past SO LONG AS the one who posts it has the right to post it here. For example, CC content allows third party distribution, as long as the terms of the license are made clear and proper attribution is made (so the Image page should contain the appropriate license template as well as cite the source). Regular copyrighted content has been allowed if posted by the author or someone with explicit permission -- however, I'd like to see us move away from that and just use "open" content -- content which may be freely redistributed (CC licenses included). I know all of this is confusing for many (most?) people, so an overview page would definitely be helpful. If you'd be interesting in working on this, I think that'd be great, and I could check things over to clarify any issues... — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 22:41, November 27, 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Orthodoxwiki in Russian ==<br />
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Father bless. In advance I ask the application for my bad English. I user Orthodoxwiki in Russian. To my deepest regret the sysop of Russian-speaking version Orthodoxwiki does not appear any more on a site. Thereof it is impossible to execute change of Main Page and other protected sections. In this connection I would like to ask for you to allocate me with powers of the sysop as I can be useful to the project. My operational experience with various Wiki-encyclopedias makes more than 3 years. Besides I have enough free time and knowledge on a theme. I shall be glad to any answer.--[[User:Nikita|Nikita]] 10:10, December 28, 2007 (PST)<br />
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== FYI on multi-account ==<br />
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It looks rather like [[User:Westernritecritic|Westernritecritic]] and [[User:Ephremsyrianos|Ephremsyrianos]] are the same person. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 19:59, January 27, 2008 (PST)<br />
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== Uploading and commons ==<br />
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Yo! When I uploaded [[:Image:Quick_to_Hear.jpg]] and included <nowiki>{{damickcopy}}</nowiki>, it didn't do all the inclusions correctly, e.g., putting the image in the right category and linking my username.<br />
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Thanks for what you do! &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:41, February 12, 2008 (PST)<br />
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:Hi Fr. Andrew, yep -- inclusions can be a little tricky across multiple sites. You should make sure the template exists on commons and that the link there points to your user page here, I think. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])<br />
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== HOCNA Metropolis of the Portland and the West ==<br />
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Metropolitan Moses is Bishop of Portland, not Seatle. The address for the Metropolis os Portland and the West is http://orthodoxmetropolisportland.org/<br />
Thanks<br />
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== Internet community ==<br />
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[[List of Orthodox Internet communities]] has a link to http://www.orthodoxcircle.org/. Please check whether this is a login page for the same site or it's another one: http://portal.orthodoxcircle.com/ . If it's a different site, add it to the list. :) -- [[User:Alternativo|alternativo]] 11:14, March 2, 2008 (PST)</div>Alternativohttps://en.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=List_of_Orthodox_Internet_communities&diff=61720List of Orthodox Internet communities2008-03-02T18:45:12Z<p>Alternativo: /* Instant messaging */ added irc://irc.rus.net/orthodoxy</p>
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<div>==Blogs==<br />
Below is an incomplete list of sites that offer '''individual''' opinions and thoughts on Orthodoxy. Many of the following individuals have formed something of an intertextual community, and you are likely to find them linking to many other Orthodox sites or blogs, and many interesting non-Orthodox ones as well.<br />
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'''Aggregators'''<br />
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*[http://orthodoxblogs.com OrthodoxBlogs.com]<br />
*[http://community.livejournal.com/orthodoxy/ Orthodoxy Community] at [http://www.livejournal.com LiveJournal]<br />
* [http://groups.blogdigger.com/groups.jsp?id=2040 St. Blog's Parish] is a searchable aggregated syndication feed of Catholic and Orthodox blogs. Note: '''Mostly Catholic'''<br />
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'''Individual blogs'''<br />
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* [http://orthodoxchristianreflections.blogspot.com/ Angel Standing By] - "A blog of Orthodox Christian news, Bible story reflections, lives of the saints, etc."<br />
* [http://aureljivisociety.blogspot.com/ The Aurel Jivi Society] - An Orthodox Blog for Theology Students Learning English for Academic Purposes<br />
* [http://mimisbooks.blogspot.com/ Bigger than a Breadbox]<br />
*Bishop [[Seraphim (Sigrist) of Sendai|Seraphim (Sigrist)]] - [http://www.livejournal.com/users/seraphimsigrist/ Seraphim's LiveJournal]<br />
* [http://byztex.blogspot.com Byzantine, TX] - An Eastern Christian blog<br />
* [http://pactum-serva.blogspot.com/ Pactum Serva] - Orthodox blog on subjects ranging from Theology to Culture to Politics<br />
* [http://www.devshirme.com Devshirme] by Fr. Gregory Christakos<br />
* [http://blakemb.wordpress.com/ Dust and Ashes] - "..but I have chosen you out of the world." <br />
* [http://eastbyz.blogsome.com/ East of Byzantium] - Orthodox blog from China<br />
*[http://hellenic-reporter.blogspot.com/ Hellenic Reporter] - Fighting the good fight for all freedoms, including freedom of religion.<br />
* [http://homepage.mac.com/gthurman/iblog Fr. Matthew Thurman's blog]<br />
* [http://glenrosefarm.blogspot.com/ Glen Rose Farm] - "Notes from a Hillside Farm; being Musings and Observations on Life, Letters, and our Most Holy Faith, by a Lawyer, Sheep-farmer, and Communicant of the Orthodox Church"<br />
* [http://blog.kevinbasil.com/ Kevin Basil] - "Decimation and Reconstruction"<br />
<!-- * [http://www.apologetika.narod.ru/index2.html Let Us Attend] - "The Orthodox Apologetics Blog" ---><br />
* [http://www.evlogeite.com Ancient Church] - The blog formerly known as Minor Clergy<br />
* [http://morningcoffee.blogspot.com/ Morning Coffee]<br />
<!-- * [http://www.orthodox-journey.blogspot.com My Journey to Orthodoxy] by [[user:tizzidale|Rusty Tisdale]] ---><br />
* [http://occidentalis.blogspot.com Occidentalis] - Dedicated to the Western Rite.<br />
* [http://orthodox-okie.blogspot.com Orthodox Okie] - a pro-Western Rite blog maintained by Oklahoma native Aristobule Adams.<br />
* [http://southern-orthodoxy.blogspot.com/ Orthodixie] - "Southern, Orthodox, Convert, Etc."<br />
* [http://orthomatic.net/ Orth-o-matic] - from Plamen Sivov, in Bulgarian language mainly<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/ OrthodoxyToday Blog] - from Fr. Hans Jacobse<br />
<!-- * [http://www.1453.org/ Orthopraxis] - "A weblog of issues affecting Orthodoxy." ---><br />
* [http://paradosis.blogspot.com/ Paradosis] - "A handing over, which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc."<br />
<!-- * [http://www.chattablogs.com/jeremy/ Parrhesia] - "Freedom or frankness in speaking; saying freely all that one thinks." ---><br />
* [http://pensateomnia.blogspot.com/ Pensate Omnia (Weigh all Things)] "Orthodox faith; language and literature; ideas in science, politics, history, art and poetry; whatever I find edifying or fun, these things I hope to write about and explore by posting thoughts, papers, links etc."<br />
* [http://www.philthompson.net PhilThompson.net] "...the online journal of what Phil finds interesting."<br />
* [http://pleroma.typepad.com/pleroma/ Pleroma] "Setting forth and defending the Apostolic Tradition"<br />
* [http://donva.blogspot.com/ Ramblings of a Single Dad] - "An adoptive single Orthodox father rambles on faith, fatherhood, family, and friends."<br />
* [http://russianicon.blogspot.com/ Russian Orthodox Icons' Gallery] - "This Blog is devoted to describing of hand-written Russian Orthodox icons from a Gallery, which is located in the heart of Old Riga, Latvia"<br />
*[http://web.mac.com/cjoiner/Articles/Blog/Blog.html Saint George Speaks] "Articles from Saint George Greek Orthodox Cathedral Publications"<br />
* [http://sarisburiensis.blogspot.com Sarisburium] - The musings of an Orthodox convert from Great Britain, "Full Faith and Filioque-Free!" <br />
<!-- * Simeon's Hit & Miss of Filosofical Thought ---><br />
* [http://stephanosofepiros.wordpress.com/ Stephanos of Nikopolis] - "Aphorisms and essays on moral philosophy, theology, Orthodox spiritual life, and New Testament commentary."<br />
* [http://karlthienes.blogspot.com/ St. Stephen's Musings] by Karl Thienes - "Thoughts and reflections on Eastern Orthodox theology, various philosophical issues, and a variety of social/political events."<br />
* [http://sundaytosunday.blogspot.com/ Sunday to Sunday] - "an online journal that chronicles my communion with Christ and His church."<br />
* [http://www.chattablogs.com/aionioszoe/ This is Life: Revolutions Around the Cruciform Axis] - by Clifton Healy, an "Orthodox wannabe"<br />
* [http://justinmartyr.blogspot.com/ Torrent of Consciousness] - "It is what it is."<br />
<!-- * [http://www.wayneolson.com/weblog/ WayneOlson.com] - "A weblog on Eastern Orthodoxy, theology, philosophy, academia, nonsense and Siberian speed knitting." ---><br />
<!-- * chrysostom407 - "An Orthodox Christian's Blog" ---><br />
* [http://westernorthodox.blogspot.com Western Orthodoxy] - "An Unofficial Blog Dedicated to the Western Rite within the Orthodox Church."<br />
* [http://theosebia.blogspot.com/ A Catechumen's Walk] - "My thoughts and meditations as I delve into the ancient paths of the Church"<br />
* [http://stmaterne.blogspot.com/ Saint-Materne] Musing on the roots of Orthodox Belgium, 19 centuries Christian. (in French)<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxe.be/revue.html "La Voile"], "The Sail" online journal of a Belgian Orthodox study group (in French)<br />
* [http://www.anchorite.org/blog anchorite.org] A church tech blog<br />
* [http://www.frbishoy.com/blog www.frbishoy.com] The official blog of Fr. Bishoy Andrawes, Priest of St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church of Washington, DC<br />
* [http://www.nowandever.be/ now and ever] ..:in search of a john 3:8 hurricane:..<br />
* [http://iconnewmedianetwork.com/Channel/woman-thou-art-awesome/ Woman, Thou Art Awesome] A blog devoted to the lives of Women Saints in the Orthodox Church<br />
* [http://www.orthodoxyouth.org/blog/ Orthodox Christian Bible Studies Blog] Discusses the development of online, interactive multimedia Bible study resources.<br />
* [http://monasticism.blogspot.com/ Monasticism] by Rev. Fr. Peter-Michael Preble of St. Michael’s Romanian Orthodox Church in Southbridge, MA<br />
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==Forums==<br />
<br />
[[Wikipedia:Internet_forum|Internet forums]] are a place for discussion. They allow users to make a "post" about a topic and others to respond.<br />
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<br />
'''Active''':<br />
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*[http://www.christianforums.com/f145-the-ancient-way-orthodox.html The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox], hosted by [http://www.christianforums.com Christian Forums]<br />
*[http://www.desertcalling.com/ Desert Calling] (old forums can be found at: [http://orthopraxis.co.nr/ Orthopraxis])<br />
*[http://www.monachos.net/forum/index.php Monachos.net Discussion Community] - Online study and discourse of Orthodoxy through patristic and monastic theological heritage.<br />
*[http://itomd.myforum.ro Theological Discussions] A Orthodox Moldavian forum in Romanian language moderated by hieromonk professor PhD Petru Pruteanu, dean of the Pastoral Theological Faculty from Edinet Moldavia <br />
*[http://byzantineforum.forumotion.com Byzantine Forum] A new Forum about Orthodoxy and Greece (in Greek)<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/ OrthodoxChristianity.net]<br />
*[http://www.sojourner3.proboards59.com/index.cgi OrthodoxChat.com]<br />
*[http://members5.boardhost.com/STANDREWHOUSE/ St. Andrew House Discussion Forum], hosted by [http://boardhost.com/ boardhost.com]<br />
*[http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/chant_liturgique/ Chant Liturgique], a French language group of liturgical discussions, help, sharing & document exchange (Eastern rite only)<br />
*[http://forums.pravoslavie.bg/ Orthodoxy Bulgaria] Orthodox forum in Bulgarian<br />
*[http://www.forum-ortodox.com/ Romanian forum] Orthodox forum in Romanian<br />
*[http://www.forum-orthodoxe.com/ France forum] Orthodox forum in French<br />
*[http://p097.ezboard.com/belyforum Ely Forum] Orthodox forum in English, on Orthodox roots of the West, has also a (new) French forum<br />
*[http://www.ststephenoca.com/blog.html Central Florida Orthodox Forum] Orthodox Forum catering primarily to Orthodox Christians in the Central Florida area. Has a nice Q & A forum and other features that appeal to all Orthodox Christians<br />
*[http://www.joyinsorrow.com Joy in Sorrow] - An Orthodox resource and community site for those suffering from depression or going through hard times<br />
*[http://www.ortodoksi.net/foorumi/ Ortodoksi.net] Orthodox forum in Finnish (also in English, Swedich or German)<br />
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'''Less-active''':<br />
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*[http://orthodoxweb.org Orthodox Web Development Community]<br />
*[http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=80 Eastern Orthodoxy], hosted by [http://www.religiousforums.com religiousforums.com]<br />
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'''Inactive''':<br />
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*[http://www.hesychasm.ru/forum/index.php Hesychasm forum] forum in Russian is moderately active, forum in English is inactive<br />
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==Electronic mailing lists==<br />
<br />
An [[Wikipedia:Electronic_mailing_list|electronic mailing lists]] allows list members to dialog via email. Sometimes the contents of these emails are archived for public view and other times they are not. List members generally have the option to receive the messages one-at-a-time or in a "daily digest" that includes all of the messages for a given time period.<br />
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*The [https://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/orthodox.html Indiana list] is one of the oldest and is known for its conservative leanings and feisty discussion.<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/ocnet.htm OCNet] - The Orthodox Christian Network. Orthodox discussion forums available as mailing lists, BBS conferences, newsgroups etc. <br />
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'''Yahoo! Groups'''<br />
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In order to join many of these groups they require approval from a Yahoo! member who is the moderator of the group. Yahoo! membership, however, is not a requirement.<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox_China/ Orthodox China] - For discussion about issues related to Orthodoxy in China, translations of Orthodox texts into Chinese, and missionary work among Chinese people abroad.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-convert/ Orthodox Converts] - For discussion between people who have [[convert]]ed to Orthodox Christianity or are interested in Orthodoxy. Cradle Orthodox and Clergy are invited to join to offer advice to those members who are young in the faith.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox-Forum/ Orthodox Forum]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodoxjurisdictions/ Orthodox Jurisdictions]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-readers Orthodox Readers] - A list for tonsured readers, as well as for any one interested in Reader Services.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orthodox_Re-Forum/ Orthodox Re-Forum]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-tradition/ Orthodox Tradition]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oxwoms/ Orthodox Without My Spouse] - A support group for Orthodox Christians married to someone who isn't.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/normalorthodox/ Normal Orthodox]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/byzantinechant Byzantine Chant] - A group founded by the European musician Fr. Ivan Moody, primarily targeted at chanters practicing in churches using the Byzantine musical tradition. Discussion focuses on the technical aspects of the tones.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greekorthodoxmusic Greek Orthodox Church Music] - Discussion of musical issues as practiced in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. This lists embraces four-part choral music as well as Byzantine chant.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/typikon/ Typikon] - A discussion list intended for all kinds of discussion and enquiries regarding the Typikon (its liturgical practice and music, and ramifications thereof) of the canonical Orthodox Church.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ustav/ Ustav] - "Ustav" facilitates email discussion, questions, commentary and teaching concerning the traditional Orthodox Christian typicon and music. The Russian word "ustav" means typicon, and indicates that discussion will be slanted towards the Russian Orthodox typicon and music, as practiced in the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia]], but all other traditional usages may also be discussed.<br />
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westernriteorthodoxy Western Rite Orthodoxy] - "The congregations of the Western Rite Vicariate of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America proclaim the fullness of the Orthodox Faith while worshipping according to the historic Western Catholic Rites of Rome and England."<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/ Orthodox ROCOR] - A group for members and friends of [[ROCOR]].<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arbible The Holy Bible Web Site Channel] - This is a [[Coptic]] Orthodox discussion list with ecumenical vision and outreach (Main languages: English and Arabic).<br />
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'''Clergy-only''':<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-clergy/ Orthodox-Clergy] - The Orthodox-Clergy email list is open to bishops, priests and deacons of all SCOBA jurisdictions, parishes of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oca-clergy/ OCA-Clergy] - This list is only open to priests and deacons of the [[Orthodox Church in America]]<br />
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rocorclergy/ ROCOR Clergy] - This list is open only to deacons, priests, and bishops of [[ROCOR]].<br />
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==Newsgroups==<br />
<br />
[[Wikipedia:Newsgroup|Newsgroups]] are usually found within the [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] system and generally require newsreader software to interact with them. However, [http://groups.google.com/ Google Groups] provides a web interface.<br />
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*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox], a high-traffic group known for its tabloid style, personal attacks, and fierce exchanges<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.greek-orthodox alt.religion.christian.greek-orthodox], a less active group than .east-orthodox, but tends to be more focused on Orthodox topics<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.russian-orthodox alt.religion.christian.russian-orthodox]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.religion.christian.ukrainian-orthodox alt.religion.christian.ukrainian-orthodox]<br />
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==Social networks==<br />
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There are sites for [[Wikipedia:Social_networking|developing friendships]] with Orthodox Christians.<br />
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*[http://www.orthodoxbiz.com Orthodoxbiz.com] - "Orthodox Biz is a business directory, business promotion, and business networking site for Orthodox business professionals. It offers an Orthodox business directory, classified ads, mini-sites, discussion forums, networking groups, Orthodox business blogging, Orthodox press releases from private businesses and Orthodox ministries, and Orthodox event listing."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxcircle.org OrthodoxCircle.org] - "OrthodoxCircle is a free online community portal designed for Orthodox Christians! It provides fun and easy to use tools for friends and family to stay connected with each other and their parishes, ministries and organizations. It's also a great way to make new friends with other Orthodox Christians around the world and to stay informed about events and news."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxfriends.com OrthodoxFriends.com] - This site has gone offline. [[User talk:FrJohn|Let me know]] if someone wants to revive this!<br />
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There are also some for just singles, but none for an Orthodox [[Wikipedia:Online_dating_service|dating service]], similar to [http://www.eharmony.com eHarmony.com].<br />
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*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox_singles/ Orthodox Singles Yahoo Group]<br />
*[http://www.livejournal.com/community/orthodox_single/ Livejournal Orthodox Single Group]<br />
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==Instant messaging==<br />
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There are several forms of [[Wikipedia:Instant_messaging|instant messaging]] available to communicate with others online.<br />
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'''[[Wikipedia:Internet_Relay_Chat|Internet Relay Chat]]''' (IRC)<br />
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*[http://blog.kevinbasil.com/2003/02/03/holy-irc-batman/ &#35;orthodoxy] on [http://www.lplug.org lplug.org]<br />
*&#35;orthodoxwiki on [http://freenode.net/ freenode.net] - see [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat]]<br />
*&#35;orthodox on [http://undernet.org undernet.org]<br />
*&#35;orthodoxy on irc.rus.net (chat mainly in Russian)<br />
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==Portals/directories==<br />
* [http://businessdirectory.orthodoxcircle.com Orthodox Christian Business Directory] - Part of [http://orthodoxcircle.com OrthodoXCircle]<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxbiz.com Orthodoxbiz.com] - "Orthodox Biz is a business directory, business promotion, and business networking site for Orthodox business professionals. It offers an Orthodox business directory, classified ads, mini-sites, discussion forums, networking groups, Orthodox business blogging, Orthodox press releases from private businesses and Orthodox ministries, and Orthodox event listing."<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxlinks.info/ Orthodox Christianity on the Web]<br />
*[http://www.orthodoxnet.com/ OrthodoxNet]<br />
*[http://orthodoxlife.info Orthodox Life Info Portal]<br />
*[http://www.ortodoksi.net Ortodoksi.net] Finnish Orthodox info portal<br />
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'''Fora'''<br />
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*[http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Denominations/Orthodox/Chats_and_Forums/ Orthodox Chats and Forums] at [http://www.google.com/dirhp Google Directory]<br />
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'''Electronic Mailing Lists'''<br />
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*[http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/Christianity/Denominations_and_Sects/Orthodox Orthodox Groups] at Yahoo!<br />
*http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/resource/lists.html<br />
*http://www.holy-trinity.org/lists.html<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Orthodox Media]]<br />
* [[Orthodox Newsfeeds]]<br />
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[[Category:Church Life]]<br />
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<div>[[image:Viennagenesis.jpg|right|thumb|A page of the Vienna Genesis, made in sixth century Syria, with an illustration of Jacob/Israel blessing his grandsons Ephraim and Mannasseh.]]The Book of '''Genesis''' contains the pre-history of the people of Israel. It starts the first part the [[Old Testament]] section of the [[Bible]] called the [[Pentateuch]], Torah, or Books of [[Moses]]. The name ''Genesis'' comes from the Greek for beginning, origin, or birth because of [[Septuagint]]'s division of the Pentateuch into five books. Tradition has it that the Genesis was mostly written by the [[Prophet]] Moses 1,300 years before [[Christ]]. <br />
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==Contents==<br />
===Summary===<br />
Genesis begins with the story of the [[creation]] of the world, the fall of [[Adam and Eve]] and the subsequent, quite sinful, history of the children of Adam. It tells of Noah and the great flood, the tower of Babel, and Abram and Melchizedek. <br />
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It then tells of [[God]]'s call and promise of [[salvation]] to [[Abraham]], and the story of [[Isaac]] and [[Jacob]], whom God named Israel, ending with the settlement of the twelve tribes of Israel (the families of the twelve sons of Jacob) in Egypt, during the time of Joseph's favor with the Egyptian Pharaoh. In traditional Church language, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are called the [[Patriarch]]s and are also [[Forefather]]s of Christ.<br />
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[[image:creationstars.jpg|left|thumb|An icon of God creating light, in the form of the stars in the sky, on the fourth day of the Genesis creation story.]]<br />
===Creation===<br />
The creation narrative in Genesis can be split into two sections - the first section starts with an account of the Creation of the universe by God, which occurs in six days, the second section is more human-oriented, and less concerned with explaining how the Earth, its creatures and its features came to exist as they are today.<br />
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Within the first section, on the first day God created light; on the second, the firmament of heaven; on the third, he separated water and land, and created plant life; on the fourth day he created the sun, moon, and stars; on the fifth day marine life and birds; on the sixth day land animals, and man and woman. On the seventh day, the Sabbath, God rested, and sanctified the day.<br />
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The second section of the creation narrative explains that the earth was lifeless, how God brought moisture to the soil and how man was formed from the dust (Adam translates from Hebrew to mean 'Red Earth').<br />
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===Adam and Eve===<br />
God formed Adam out of earth ("adamah"), and set him in the Garden of [[Eden]], to watch over it. Adam is allowed to eat of all the fruit within it, except that of the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." God then brings all the animals to Adam (2:19). In verse 2:18, God says he will make a helper for Adam, singular, and then creates the animals. In 2:20, Adam studies all the animals and names them. He does not find his helpmate and notices that all the other animals have helpmates for them (the male and female). When Adam realizes this, God then puts him into a deep sleep, takes a rib from his side, and from it forms a woman (called later "Eve"), to be his companion (his helpmate).<br />
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Later, starting in verse 3:1, Eve was convinced by [[Satan]], in the form of a serpent, to eat of the forbidden fruit, the only freedom that God had prohibited Adam and Eve in Eden. This turning from God is also considered the [[original sin]] in traditional Christian interpretation. As punishment, the ground is cursed, Adam and Eve become mortal (because they no longer have access to the Tree of Life), and they are driven out of the garden. The entrance to the garden is then guarded by [[cherubim]] with a flaming sword. <br />
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Adam and Eve initially have two sons, [[Cain and Abel]]. Eventually Cain grows envious of the favor found by his brother before God, and slays him. The first murder is that of a brother. Cain is sentenced to wander over the earth as a fugitive. He finally settles in the land of Nod.<br />
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===From Adam to Noah===<br />
Cain, the son of Adam, builds the first known city in the Bible and calls it after the name of his son, Enoch (Genesis 4:17). Further down the line of genealogy, Lamech takes two wives (Genesis 4:19). Lamech's sons are the first dwellers in tents and owners of herds (Genesis 4:20, Jabal is called the "father of such as dwell in tents"), and they are the earliest inventors of musical instruments (Genesis 4:21) and workers in brass and iron (Genesis 4:22). These descendants of Cain know nothing about God (Genesis 4:16).<br />
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Another son of Adam, Seth, has in the meantime been born to Adam and Eve in place of the slain Abel (Genesis 4:25). Seth's descendants never lose thought of God (Genesis 4:26). The tenth in regular descent is Noah (Genesis 5:1-29). Adam and Eve also have other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4). In line with most of the other biblical characters born before the flood whose ages are provided, Adam lived until the age of 930 (Genesis 5:5).<br />
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Chapter 5 provides a genealogy of descendants of Adam till Noah:<br />
Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah <br />
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===Noah and the great flood===<br />
In Genesis chapter 6, verse 2, the sons of God (the men who turned back to God after the original fall), took daughters of men (women who were in rebellion against God) to be their wives. Then, in Genesis 6:3, the Lord said; "My spirit shall not put up with humans for these lengths of time, for they are mortal flesh. In the future, humans shall live no more than 120 years." Then God looked down on the earth and was very displeased. He saw that the beautiful world He made was filled with the violence and hate of mankind; so He decided to cleanse the world with a flood and start again. God selected one man, Noah, and his family, to survive the flood, as Noah's family is still perfect genetically (Genesis 6:9). God commanded him to build a large ark, since the work of destruction was to be accomplished by means of a great flood. Noah obeyed the command, entering the ark together with his family, into which they also brought a mating pair of each kind of animal and bird on Earth. Water burst out of the ground and fell from the sky, and the world was flooded, destroying all living beings except those in the ark. When the flood had subsided, Noah's family left the ark, and God enters into a covenant with Noah and all his descendants, the entire human race. Noah soon planted a vineyard (ix. 20) and drank of its wine. While he is intoxicated, Noah is shamelessly treated by his son Ham; upon awakening, Noah cursed the latter in the person of Ham's son Canaan, while his sons Shem and Japheth are blessed.<br />
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Chapter 10 reviews the peoples descended from Japheth, Ham, and Shem. The dispersion of humanity into separate races and nations is described in the story of the Tower of Babel. Humanity is dispersed by a "confusion of tongues," which God brought about when men attempted to build a tower that should reach up to heaven. A genealogy is given of Shem's descendants.<br />
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===Abram and Sarai===<br />
[[image:Abraham.jpg|right|thumb|The Righteous Abraham, a major figure in the Book of Genesis.]]Terah, who lives in Ur of the Chaldees, has three sons: Abram, Nahor, and Haran, father of Lot. Abram married Sarai. God soon directs Abram to leave his home. Abram obeys, emigrating with his entire household and Lot, his brother's son, to the land of Canaan. Here God appears to him and promises that the land shall become the property of his descendants.<br />
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However, Abram is forced by a famine to leave Canaan for Egypt. Once there, the Pharaoh of Egypt takes possession of the beautiful Sarai (whom Abram has misleadingly represented as his sister; she was in fact his half-sister). God afflicts Pharaoh with a disease, which the ruler recognizes as a sign from God; thus Pharaoh returns Sarai to Abram. Abram returns to Canaan and separates from Lot in order to put an end to land disputes. God again appears to Abram, promising him the whole country.<br />
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===Abram and Melchizedek===<br />
Lot is taken prisoner by invading kings from the East. Abram pursues the victors with his armed retainers. Returning with his warband after rescuing Lot and his clan, Abram is met by Melchizedek, the king and high priest of Salem (Jerusalem), who blesses him; in return Abram gives him a tithe of his booty, refusing his share of the same. After this exploit God again appears to Abram and promises him protection, a rich reward, and numerous progeny. These descendants will pass four hundred years in servitude in a strange land, but after God has judged their oppressors they shall leave the land of their affliction, and the fourth generation shall return to Canaan.<br />
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===Hagar and Ishmael===<br />
[[image:Rublev Trinity.jpg|left|thumb|Rublev's famous icon of three angels, a type of the Holy Trinity, appearing to Abraham and Sarah.]]Sarai is still childless in her old age, so Sarai and Abram decide that they will produce an heir for Abram through his Egyptian handmaiden, Hagar. Abram takes her as a concubine and has a child with her named Ishmael. God again appears to Abram and enters into a personal covenant securing Abram's future: God promises numerous progeny, including one to Sarah within a year, changes Abram's name to "[[Abraham]]" and that of Sarai to "[[Sarah]]," and institutes the circumcision of all males as an eternal sign of this covenant. This meeting, in which three angels appear to Abraham and Sarah, is the subject of [[Andrei Rublev]]'s famous icon, called either ''The Hospitality of Abraham'' or simply ''The Trinity''.<br />
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===Sodom and Gomorrah===<br />
Next, Abraham also hears that God intends to send [[angels]] to execute judgment upon the wicked inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. He intercedes for the sinners, bargaining with God for the lowest number of righteous people required to save the cities. God agrees that he will spare the cities in their entirety if only ten righteous people are to be found therein. Two angels go to Sodom, where they are hospitably received by Lot. The men of the city, however, pound on Lot's door, demanding to have sexual relations with the visitors. Having thus shown that they deserved their fate, Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed by fire and brimstone.<br />
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Only Lot and his two daughters are saved. Lot's incestuous relationship with his daughters, which resulted in the births of Ammon and Moab, is also described.<br />
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Abraham journeys to Gerar, the country of Abimelech. Here once again he represents Sarah as his sister, and Abimelech plans to gain possession of her. He desists on being warned by God.<br />
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===The birth of Isaac===<br />
At last the long-expected son of Abraham and Sarah is born and receives the name of "Isaac" (Itzhak: "will laugh" in Hebrew). At Sarah's insistence Ishmael, together with his mother Hagar, is driven out of the house. They also have a great future promised to them by God. Abraham, during the banquet that he gives in honor of Isaac's birth, enters into a covenant with Abimelech, who confirms his right to the well Beer-sheba.[[image:abrahamisaac.jpg|right|thumb|A Byzantine-style mosaic from the Basilica of San Vitale in Italy depicting the angel's visition to Abraham and his almost-execution of Isaac.]]<br />
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===The near-sacrifice of Isaac===<br />
Now that Abraham seems to have all his desires fulfilled, having even provided for the future of his son, God subjects him to the greatest trial of his faith by demanding Isaac as a sacrifice. Abraham obeys; but, as he is about to lay the knife upon his son, God restrains him, promising him numberless descendants. On the death of Sarah, Abraham acquires Machpelah for a family tomb. Then he sends his servant to Mesopotamia, Nahor's home, to find among his relations a wife for Isaac; and Rebekah, Nahor's granddaughter, is chosen. Other children are born to Abraham by another wife, Keturah, among whose descendants are the Midianites, and he dies in a prosperous old age.<br />
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===Esau and Jacob===<br />
After being married for twenty years Rebekah has twins by Isaac: Esau, who becomes a hunter, and Jacob (Ya'akov: "will follow"), who becomes a herdsman. Jacob persuades Esau to sell him his birthright, for which the latter does not care; notwithstanding this bargain, God appears to Isaac and repeats the promises given to Abraham. His wife, whom he represents as his sister, is endangered in the country of the Philistines, but King Abimelech himself averts disaster. In spite of the hostility of Abimelech's people, Isaac is fortunate in all his undertakings in that country, especially in digging wells. God appears to him at Beer-sheba, encourages him, and promises him blessings and numerous descendants; and Abimelech enters into a covenant with him at the same place. Esau marries Canaanite women, to the regret of his parents.<br />
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Rebekah persuades Jacob to dress himself as Esau, and thus obtain from his blinded by old age father the blessing intended for Esau. To escape his brother's vengeance, Jacob is sent to relations in Haran, being charged by Isaac to find a wife there. On the way God appears to him at night, promising protection and aid for himself and the land for his numerous descendants. Arrived at Haran, Jacob hires himself to Laban, his mother's brother, on condition that, after having served for seven years as a herdsman, he shall have for wife the younger daughter, Rachel, with whom he is in love. At the end of this period Laban gives him the elder daughter, Leah; Jacob therefore serves another seven years for Rachel, and after that six years more for cattle. In the meantime Leah bears him Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah; by Rachel's maid Bilhah he has Dan and Naphtali; by Zilpah, Leah's maid, Gad and Asher; then, by Leah again, Issachar, Zebulun, and Dinah; and finally, by Rachel, Joseph. He also acquires much wealth in flocks.<br />
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===Jacob wrestles with God===<br />
In fear of Laban, Jacob flees with his family, but soon becomes reconciled with Laban. On approaching his home he is in fear of Esau, to whom he sends presents. While sleeping, a being (variously regarded as God, an angel, or a man), appears to Jacob and wrestles with him. The mysterious one pleads to be released before daybreak, but Jacob refuses to release the being until he agrees to bless him. The being announces to Jacob that he shall bear the name "Israel," which means "one who wrestled with God," and is freed.<br />
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The meeting with Esau proves a friendly one, and the brothers separate reconciled. Jacob settles at Shechem. His sons Simeon and Levi take vengeance on the city of Shechem, whose prince has raped their sister Dinah. On the road from Bethel, Rachel gives birth to a son, Benjamin, and dies.<br />
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===Joseph the dreamer===<br />
[[Joseph]], Jacob's favorite son, is hated by his brothers on account of his dreams prognosticating his future dominion, and on the advice of Judah is secretly sold to a caravan of Ishmaelite merchants going to Egypt. His brothers tell their father that a wild animal has devoured Joseph. [[image:Joseph.jpg|left|thumb|The Patriarch Joseph, who was sold into slavery in Egypt by his brothers.]]Joseph, carried to Egypt, is there sold as a slave to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh's officials. He gains his master's confidence; but when the latter's wife, unable to seduce him, accuses him falsely, he is cast into prison. Here he correctly interprets the dreams of two of his fellow prisoners, the king's butler and baker. When Pharaoh is troubled by dreams that no one is able to interpret, the butler draws attention to Joseph. The latter is thereupon brought before Pharaoh, whose dreams he interprets to mean that seven years of abundance will be followed by seven years of famine. He advises the king to make provision accordingly, and is empowered to take the necessary steps, being appointed second in the kingdom. Joseph marries Asenath, the daughter of the priest Poti-pherah, by whom he has two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, who were blessed by Israel, Ephraim with Israel's right hand, Manassah with Israel's left. <br />
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When the famine comes it is felt even in Canaan; and Jacob sends his sons to Egypt to buy grain. The brothers appear before Joseph, who recognizes them, but does not reveal himself. After having proved them on this and on a second journey, and they having shown themselves so fearful and penitent that Judah even offers himself as a slave, Joseph reveals his identity, forgives his brothers the wrong they did him, and promises to settle in Egypt both them and his father. Jacob brings his whole family, numbering 66 persons, to Egypt, this making, inclusive of Joseph and his sons and himself, 70 persons. Pharaoh receives them amicably and assigns to them the land of Goshen. When Jacob feels the approach of death he sends for Joseph and his sons, and receives Ephraim and Manasseh among his own sons. Then he calls his sons to his bedside and reveals their future to them. Jacob dies, and is solemnly interred in the family tomb at Machpelah. Joseph lives to see his great-grandchildren, and on his death-bed he exhorts his brethren, if God should remember them and lead them out of the country, to take his bones with them. The book ends with Joseph's remains being put "in a coffin in Egypt." This, however, does not imply that his family was unfaithful to his wishes, but rather this burial is only temporary. Obviously, they could not have left him unburied for the remainder of their stay in Egypt. They do, in fact, take his bones with them on their journey and bury him at Shechem, a plot of ground already owned by their family (Joshua 24:32).<br />
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==Purpose and Interpretation==<br />
Genesis is not treated as mere history, but as a source of spiritual wisdom, a book inspired by God himself. Out of all historical information available to [[Moses]], he selected only what was related to the religious life of people. It most likely has been edited for this goal over time.<br />
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==Liturgical readings==<br />
Almost all of Genesis is read by a [[reader]] at services of the Orthodox Church during [[Great Lent]] and [[Holy Week]]. <br />
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At [[Vespers]] before the [[Nativity of the Theotokos]], the reading is from [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201;&version=9;|Genesis 28:10-17], the story of Jacob's vision of a ladder which unites heaven and earth. This passage indicates the union of God with men which is realized most fully and perfectly, both spiritually and physically, in Mary the Theotokos, Bearer of God. <br />
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==External links==<br />
*Nine [[homily|homilies]] delivered by St. [[Basil the Great]] on the cosmogony of the opening chapters of Genesis:<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-09.htm#P1986_546370 In the Beginning God Made the Heaven and the Earth]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-10.htm#P2053_583374 The Earth Was Invisible and Unfinished.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-11.htm#P2122_622296 On the Firmament.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-12.htm#P2204_660300 Upon the Gathering Together of the Waters.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-13.htm#P2236_681498 The Germination of the Earth.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-14.htm#P2287_712472 The Creation of Luminous Bodies.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-15.htm#P2355_758236 The Creation of Moving Creatures.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-16.htm#P2408_786834 The Creation of Fowl and Water Animals.]<br />
:# [http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-08/Npnf2-08-17.htm#P2482_825600 The Creation of Terrestrial Animals.]<br />
* [[w:Genesis]] (Source of Contents section.)<br />
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