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Name of ROC
: This is answered on [[Talk:Church of Russia]]. As is noted in a number of our policy documents, we have our own taxonomy here, which often does not reflect official, legal names. The official OrthodoxWiki standard for all Orthodox churches is ''Church of [Place]''. This policy has been in effect pretty much since the wiki was founded in 2004. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 19:37, December 18, 2008 (UTC)
::*I can perfectly see the logic behind such taxonomy and even accept it. But the point is, as i noted in my original edit comment, that such designation is not only formally incorrect, but in essence as well (by essence i mean the ecclesiological reasoning that obviously underpins your taxonomy). This is no more a Church of Russia than it is a Church of Ukraine (in fact, Ukraine could well lay a historically better grounded claim to it), or Latvia, for that matter. If one were to base the wording of the designation on the title of a Primate in question (which would be a legitimate thing to do within your taxonomy), the article would have to be called "Church of Moscow" (or "Church of Rus"). Paradoxically, you have chosen to employ the current official name of a country, which constitutes only a fraction (less than half by parish numbers) of the "canonical territory" of the ROC. How can you warrant that?[[User:Muscovite99|Max]] 20:00, December 22, 2008 (UTC)
 
::: It's warranted with a combination of basic ecclesiology (i.e., the Church is not "Russian," "Greek," etc., but it is the Church in and of a particular place&mdash;Russia, Greece, etc.) and of English usage. ("Church of Russia" gets about 30,000 hits on Google.) It's notably the usage of such groups as the OCA[http://www.oca.org/OCworldrussia.asp?SID=2], etc. Of course its usage pales in comparison with "Russian Orthodox Church," but that term is objectionable for the reasons previously noted. ("Church of Moscow" is a somewhat idiosyncratic term hardly ever used except in larger, translated phrases such as "Estonian Church of Moscow Patriarchate.")
 
::: The many parishes in Ukraine are covered by a separate article: [[Church of Ukraine]] (along with articles on the irregular bodies, as well).
 
::: No matter what one names these articles, they'll not be satisfactory to all. This is what our policy here is. Our policy has been to use the city names for the ancient patriarchates but common country names for the newer autocephalous and autonomous churches (the exceptions are the OCA, which is of somewhat irregular status, and the Church of Sinai, which designates a region). You'll notice that this is consistently the case.
 
::: Anyway, the proper place to discuss the names of articles is on the talk pages of the articles themselves. That way, everyone interested in working on the article can participate. Please direct future comments to [[Talk:Church of Russia]]. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 21:25, December 22, 2008 (UTC)
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